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they definitely should!

I hope JP4 uses the REX, but as muhc as I criticize JP3, I really dont want them to change the logo of the Spino, its what makes it it own thing.

said one said a few days ago that they began filming *lets out giant sarcastic laugh* highly impossible for them to be filming. also since they uh fired i guess the art directors that "raises some questions about the park" -mr.happy aka donald gennaro with the firing of art directors and a script being re worked this leads me to believe that they've restarted on the concept art, by know id imagine they'd be close to finished the electronics and MAY have just started on the sculpts/molds for the skins of the animatronic, and probably the cgi models for the film this will take (with the pros at ilm and STS) maybe a month and what left of this month *this will lead into the possible filming date of june or july* these things take time but "if we were to send a group of experts to the island the insurance guys would back off" -mr.happy aka donald gennaro if we had someone working in ilm or sts speaking to us we may know whats going on and how well every things working out

If it's pushed back a month, that's fine with me, then it could be better and still come out before the end of summer 2014. I hope it has a great plot with cool battles and special effects.

I personally do not care much for the idea of marine dinosaurs, and I agree with Spino186, nothing today is a 20 foot tall bipedal 10 ton carnivore, and everyone wants to see those. They should have left the case for JP3 the original just because Spino had it's time in the spotlight. What if in JP4, it is on both islands, Spino on Sorna, and Rex on Nublar, and they meet at the end via land bridge or islands merging, and the case could have the Rex on one side, and Spino on the other side facing Rex (skeletons of course).

no no no jhawkins im measuring from the largest skeletons found NOT the average size just to make that clear (ive said it a few times now) the big spino is exaggerated yes because the specimen was lost to war the rex how ever is the one called sue also given that dinosaurs mature rate differs the baby rex we see in TLW was the 3 month old baby that is the 6 year old "buck" juvenile we see in jp3 ( i have stated this before but its HIGHLY possible) given the full grown size of a rex is probably 7-9 years that buck we see is near adult hood @Rex fan you know id actually like to see that a mating pair of rex's that are mad take out dat spino *hes the trailer* shove dat spino fo the ledge he goes up in flames :D ALSO in another note id imagine that the spino we see in jp 3 is a buck too about 8 years *guessing he was pretty young in tlw thats why we didn't see him id imagine 2 yrs old* any other questions?

I agree with the opinion that rex would have won. For those of you who have seen my other posts and comments, you know I am one of the few who feel Tyrannosaurus was the largest land carnivore, but that's besides the point. I estimate a max bite force for Spino at just over 2 tons per square inch. Rex had one between 3 to 9 tons per square inch. End of story. Spino slashes the rex a few times, but Tyrannosaurus would just have to bite the Spino on the neck, head, or spine and there's the end of the battle. Just sayin ;)

I love how everyone is sayin how biased the rex fans are. Jack Horner was clearly biased towards the Spino but no one ever calls him out on it, haha. Either way, I think MrHappy is right. What if it was the giant female rex from the first movie or even better, both parents from Lost World? Spino would be outgunned. Against a subadult rex, sure, Spino may have won. But a pair of enraged parents or a fully grown Tyrannosaur would have sent any dino, including Spino, running!

I read on other discussions that the Rex was juvenile. I just know that it said the Rexs were 16 feet tall in the first 2 and 14.5 feet in the third.

Firstly i dunno where this "juvenile " stuff has come from! It deffinately wasnt juvenile cos he looked pretty much the same size when they were charging ,pushing n biting! Secondly x_ paden_ x i dunno how u were taught to measure at school lol but a trex and spino stood about 15-20 ft at the hips and thats the big boys!!!!! Tall enough to look through ya upstairs window in ya house . (LTW) . Last i looked that wasnt 30ft Thirdly @spinosaurus rex ur right in terms of it would be a coin toss, could be down to age and maturity of the adult dinos, fighting experience anything.

yes i do think with a female rex it would've been better, due to the height difference, it would've been cooler because the fight would be more equal although i think it would still end the same :D yup dont go to the toilet from now until the end of the tour you may live longer.... LOL

You calling me a blood-sucking sucking lawyer? Cuz if you are, that's funny and I know you're quoting the movie

Imagine the fight in the third Jurassic park had instead of being a juvenile male chasing some people away from a carcass, was a full grown female defending her nest or young.

thanks for understanding my point mr.happy its much appreciated "grant if theres anyone who can appreciate what im trying to do here its you" hammond "the world has just changed so dramatically and were all racing to catch up..."alan "i dont believe it, i brought you here so you could defend me from these antics and the only person i have on my side is the blood sucking lawyer" hammond

Look at this way T-Rex had one of the strongest bite forces of all time. It lived with and ate Ankylosaurus and Triceratops, as well Edmontosaurus. Spino had a not so powerful bite compared to T-Rex, and its conical teeth would be better for gripping prey (fish got pretty big back then). Spino's biggest asset is it's arms. You can make the fight as long or short as you want, but it doesn't change the fact that they were nearly evenly matched. Remove T-Rex's bite force and Spino's arm size, then what would it be like?

@spinosaurus rex i beg your pardon sir but spino is heavier calculating that it was much slower it was a fisher not a fighter, also by pinpointing certain parts in the dinosaurs leg bones we can shape the muscles around it eventually with scientific work and stuff you can measure how fast they run just by they're muscle, also spino was NOT i repeat NOT BUILT FOR COMBAT why do you think it was a fisher (easiest thing for it to kill), rex is faster has more weapons and is well built for the scenario i described strong, well boned, seems simple enough to me the reason rex lost in jp3 was because it was a juvenile and jack horner made spino win. also by studying the fossil record we can see what weapons they had let me list them AGAIN because you weren't listening the first time weapons rex- strong neck muscle for shaking, strong bone crushing jaws, strong skull, powerful leg muscles, keen sense of smell, steak knife teeth, toe claws spino-jaws, teeth, powerful forelimbs for clawing, strong leg muscles, toe claws, smell (not very strong though its vision was better) true simple facts, nothing outdated, all correct all ive done is compared the facts here people.....

@dinosaur fanatic ? i took teams out of the picture for this fight this is not biased either ive compared each tribute of the rex and spino they are almost equal to each other, rex has the better half of this its smaller then spino lighter and has more weapons suited for combat, spino on the other hand was heivier slower and bigger and only has its frail jaws and sharp hand talons for weapons (give both rex and spino could kick) also the champion is stated it was rex, in this fight I've compared the tributes of both animals involved based on weapons weight and speed, this fight would never actually happen but what I've done is I've given both equal chances for winning i have then compared them together to see who has the upper hand they do this simulation thing all the time given this isn't like scientifically backed and stuff I've just thrown it together, but this is the closest thing we've got to it.... you can accept it or deny it

And seriously how can we know how fast they ran, the only way that would matter is one of them running away from the other... cough cough, which would be trex, cough :) :)

your not supposed to go by how it should have been jhawkins, you are supposed to go by how it would have been... IN REAL LIFE. And we dont really know how it would have went anyways, its just that my opinion is spino winning, thats because i have studied about every little detail about it since i found out about spinosaurus and i dont know why you trex fans just wont let go of trex cause there were bigger and badder dinosaurs than it, and back then size mattered in most cases, and i think spinosaurus had a bigger chance because it had more features and weapons than trex, all it had was its bite, and none of us know which one was stronger or not, but lets just go with what @Dinosaur.Fanatic > is saying and just say we dont know who would win unless someone really found out how to resurrect dinosaurs or time travel.

@x_paden_x You are on team rex! This whole discussion is semi-realistic, but BIASED!!! You have not ended the debate, you have not named the champion. You don't possess this authority!!!!! I kinda like your little scenario fight thing but in reality NONE of us know which dino would really win.... we can only speculate.

well what would happen if your lunch, didn't know it was lunch, would it still be lunch???? i thought that you were implying the rex wasn't there sorry my bad also those are some very plausible predictions

sorry guys please excuse my writing i was very tired when i wrote this @jhawkins1987 no im measuring off of the biggest ones found a casual size is maybe 30 - 40 feet tall i did take into account the bombed skeleton of the spino course i could be wrong? i did do this at midnight soooo @rexfan thanks i feel strongly about the fact that rex was both a hunter and scavenger :D @spinosaurus rex none of this is outdated i even took the bombed skeleton into account for you, but other then that, this all up to date info also i found out why spino wasn't in the rex family because of its spine sail it couldn't be factored into the rex family @freeze thanks for the input i was really tired when i wrote this so i just biffed it ill try to fix it though.... i could use some inspiring its a big job... (just edited it, approval?) also i am apart of team t rex but i took that out fo account for the fight i dont care who wins i just wanted to end the debate...

im just saying this film could fall apart if it doesn't get tis act together im hoping that the film works out and stuff im just saying we should expect the worse until we hear other wise also im saying this with saddest hear because i want the film to be done and not left in the dark

Just to clarify, I never said they were "replacing" anything, I was simply making a prediction as to what this new [u]addition[/u] might be. Tyrannosaurus is a given, I wasn't saying - or even implying - it'd be removed. I mean, why would Jurassic Park not have a T-Rex? Anyway, the logic behind my predictions is quite simple. 1. I can't see them implementing a sea creature since the movie is based on land, plus they aren't dinosaurs. Horner said quite clearly that the new addition was a dinosaur, so it has to fall into that category. 2. It's unlikely they'd use a small carnivore as a new "terrifying" dinosaur as they have Compsognathus, Dilophosaurus and most importantly Velociraptor, which would be hard to out-do; attempting to do so would most likely end up being underwhelming to say the least. Though I'm happy to be proven wrong on this issue! - Again, they may add some more of these dinosaurs, but I'm just saying I don't think it will be the new one we are discussing. 3. I don't think it'll be a herbivore since people generally don't consider herbivorous dinosaurs to be very scary, there are some pretty formidable herbivores, but they don't actively hunt since they aren't predators and thus they pose no active threat to the humans - except in defence. 4. Pterosaurs have been done and thus aren't new and despite being huge they don't really make for a good "villain dinosaur" and again they aren't actually dinosaurs. So, using this deductive reasoning, what do we have left? Land based predators - specifically therapods! We only have two super-predators in the whole franchise, it would make sense to introduce a new one, and probably one that is bigger than Tyrannosaurus. I don't think they'll use smaller ones like Allosaurs, but I see how it could work. So, two dinosaurs that fall into the remaining category; the huge therapod super-predator, of which there are only two in the whole franchise, are Carcharodontosaurus and Giganotosaurus - again there may be many I don't know of, but something along those lines anyway. I'm in no way suggesting that the only feasible "terrifying" new addition is a huge therapod dinosaur, I'm simply saying that it seems - to me - to be the most likely approach. That is my logic anyway, dissect it if you will, I just wanted to share my thoughts that's all. I may be wrong and that's cool, they are just [u]predictions[/u] after all! I guess I just want another huge carnivore and it's a bit of wishful thinking too, but whatever. I'm still interested in people's suggestions though.

40 and 50feet tall??? Lol thats the hight of a brachiosaur U melon !! Lol Also 21 tonnes is a bit much . It wouldnt be able to walk being the weight of a whale! But other than that. U basically wrote the fight scene exactly how it should have been in JP3 great job with excellent detail....... Unlucky@spinosaurus rex mwhahahah

Seems legit. I like the fact that, while I feel Rex was a hunter and a scavenger, you portrayed it as a scavenger like they did in JP3 and it still one. I think being a scavenger might have even honed it's fight skills. My reason is that a rex would have to be strong enough to chase or fight other carnivores for their kill. I think a rex would kill the spino with a bone crushing bite to the back of the neck, but the throat shredding works to. Reminds me of JP Operation Genesis death duel between Tyrannosaurus and Spinosaur.

I agree that Tyrannosaurus will return as the superpredator. I don't understand why the new scary dinosaur has to be a large carnivore. It would be fine if it was, but why not a smaller one? Maybe the raptors are the main focus this time. Or perhaps a medium sized predator like Austrolaventator or Ceratosaurus.

once again with the outdated info

Jurassic Park fans are eternal pessimists and gurus of the dramatic... Everything would be going fine and there'd be one guy somewhere going "This isn't going to work and it's going to fail soon." just so he can be that guy who, when something happens, says "See, I was right all along!" and be like Malcolm for a moment. And any time any news comes out or snippet of the story there'll be one guy ranting over how JP is ruined forever. Then there are all the people who believe that the exact opposite of anything we hear is the actual truth... It's a fandom thing. Some fandoms have it worse than others. It's all about the emotions that people have invested in something they care about. Personally I'm optimistic that it is happening and that most of this delay is Universal trying to figure out how to finance a larger scale production than they prepared for, as well as reworking storyboards and getting the script to the final draft before things continue much further, trying to avoid a repeat of JP3's broken production. But that's just my opinion. We'll find out eventually.

"triumphant" is an excellent descriptor for your epic tale, love it! Now could you please clean up the "story about the fight" block of words into a easily read thread? I have faith in you!

example of the powerful neck muscles [img]http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9ulpq1eoJ1qdimr4o3_250.gif[/img]

okay so i finally got back to my labtop heres the stats now before i start let me tell you this i have no liking of either side so i have no influence on the final battle (this is the edited version) (height is measured in the biggest skeletons found) T rex vs Spinosaurus height 40 feet 50 feet length - 40 feet - 60 feet speed - 17.9 mph - 12 mph weapons primary large jaws and teeth - large hand claws for powerful neck muscle - slashing and ripping secondary for ripping. and - weak small jaws third - powerful leg muscles - leg muscles for kicking - for kicking feet claws- diet - scavenger/hunter - fisher - diet consisting of --- eats a lot of fish and - other dinos big or small --- the ocasional dino weight---- 7 tons ------ 21 tons name definition - tyrant lizard -- spiny lizard location -- north america -- south america,africa,some of asia family -- Tyrannosauroidea -- Spinosauria now i shall write a story about the fight In a clearing in the jungles of isla nublar a t rex and a spino confront each other. The spino makes a long hissing noise as it circles around with the rex, the rex lets out an ear splitting roar and charges the spino. The rex comes and head butts the spino. The spino caught off guard is flung for a few meters landing at the end of the clearing it pulls itslef up and lets out a roar. The two charge at each other the spino biting with its small useless jaws at the rexs neck and trying to use its claws to scratch the rex. The rex fends it off and bites the spinos neck, the spino lets out a roar of pain and scratches the rex with its claws, both have drawn blood. The rex limps to the side but the spino kicks the rex and the rex flops to the ground the spino charges the rex but the rex kicks it back. The spino is flung head over heels landing on its back crushing its sail into its spine the spino doesn't give up though. He lets out another roar and takes a big slash at the rex scratching its face horribly the rex stands back blinded for a few seconds giving the spino enough time to attack again. The rex can smell it with its impaired vision and charges as its vision comes back into play.It charges the spino right where its neck ends off at the belly winding the giant spino the spino flops over onto its side still breathing... the rex comes down for the kill but the spino bites its neck. Instead with the spinos frail jaw the rex has it easy with shaking it off with its giant neck muscles. Flinging the heavy animal into the air. The spino lands on its side near death as the rex comes in for the final kill it bends down and rips the spinos neck to shreds. With its neck tearing off the head the spinos body spasms and then flops over dead... The rex lets out a triumphant roar which can be hear throughout the island explanation: with the animals chances of ever meeting in real life impossible (there was a 25,000 million time difference in between them) the spino was built for fishing not fighting although it would take down a wounded or sick animal a few times it wasn't build for fighting although its claws were very very affective in the fight having slashed the rex in many places and blinding him the spino was a close match to the rex... the rex had a very strong neck muscle meant for ripping the animal with the side to strong side movement, the rexs head was built to take hits which is why he rammed the spino using its teeth to grip onto the animal it used its neck to shake usually breaking the animals back... now before you go all rage on this discussion hear me out this was from the biggest specimens of them found (yes i did take into account the bombed one and made up a height for it) all this info is taken from palaeontology sites and stuff yes this battle was between sue (rex) and bombie (the bombed spino) also in other news many of you wanted to see a jp 3d velociraptor info poster WELL I FOUND IT (took me almost a month after the movie though... [img]http://25.media.tumblr.com/a07605e0d1457b52071372c132b26873/tumblr_mkwsh0iHKv1s37zzvo1_r1_500.jpg[/img] (apparently they lived in Asia although many have been found in america) i will post this pic to another discussion if you'd like the final battle has been finished.... -paden (ed note: HOLY MACREL i said the 150 times there in the fight....)

Well I remember everyone saying jurassic park is not a ****ing documentary how ever yo do point out a good point the last discussion on this was that they were judgin the film like a documentary, what if we were seeing jurassic park 4 as a documentary that goes horribly wrong But the idea you propose reminds me a bit of the jurassic park dangerous games series minus the documentary part ( I suggest you read JPDG it's really good I had the PDF of it it was awesome)

Actuall Dino fanatic I do believe we'll see Rex return he's the glue to the franchise but on site a there's obvisily a predator that was missed in the first film and comes up and challenges the Rex I'd imagine either a dilo or maybe an alpha trodon (one that's much larger then the normal trodons)

Thanks for the stats rex fan what we should have someone do is make a complete chart of the weapons strategies and tactics of the remand spino and compa them together (and put this to rest I'm tired of people arguing over who's better) JURASSIC PARK 4 PREPARE FOR THE FInAL BATTLEOf Rex and spino

Well maybe they're thinking they can save the film???? Sorry I'm trying to be the skeptic You can't stop a ship from sinking but you can try to save it... Why not if jurassic park 4s slowly sinking why not try to save it? Also filming not spose to start until like June why the heck start early ESPICAllY if your suspending the due date But I believe that jurassic park 4 I'd not headed to the drain I'm trying t be skeptical about this entire situation to show two sides to it (much like Ian n jp1 pointing out flaws and stuff) I really hope it works out and we get a new "epic" jurassic park

I'm just saying movies in production seem to be going well and then sometimes they go to hell unexpectedly Also there's millions of reasons to lie to fans (most of them are quite bad) sometimes the movies already sinking and no one has the heart to tell the fans there's a lot of others but I cant think of them at the moment Also this is just my theory's this probably won't happen by as I did say if it progress like this it will become extinct (sad very very sad but we must assume the best until other wise) I write this with deepest concerns I'm expecting the worse until we hear news I should be expecting the best but you never know...

One study was conducted recently where scientists used a laser scanner to make 3D models for Tyrannosaurus. The scanned 5 skeletons, including Sue, and were able to get some of the most accurate size estimates ever. Sue was the slimmest and is now known to have weighed 9 tons. This is heavier than any other large carnivore, land that is, and it was the slimmest of the 5!

I like Liopleurodon, Megalodon, Megalania, Dire Wolves, etc. Sarcosuchus and Ornithoceirus are also cool.

But if T-rex will be the dominant predator, why was there that whole thing about a "Terrifying New Dinosaur?" I doubt Jack Horner would put that out there if this new dinosaur won't be playing a major role in JP4.