Gigadino
MemberCompsognathusNov-08-2014 7:14 PMI'm back, and since there have been a lot of new things during last months, I think it's time to update my top 10 largest Theropods list. You may find some big surprises:
#1. Tyrannosaurus rex
Everybody's favourite meat eater. Called "the absolute wardlord of the Earth" by New York Times in 1905, it's the most famous dinosaur in this list. This guy is pretty big: the largest specimen in called FMHN PR2081, or "Sue", and it's the largest good Theropod specimen: it was around to 3.5 meters tall, with a lenght of 12.3 m. This guy wasn't the longest meat-eaters but, due to its massive built, it was likely among the heaviest. Estimates for "Sue" range from as little as 5.6 t to over 9.5 t. Hartman recently proposed a lower estimate, wich puts this animal at over 8 t. It can beat any other Theropods in my list in terms of weight and since this ranking is about the largest (=heaviest), it earned the first place.
#2, #3, #4: Mapusaurus rosae, Giganotosaurus carolinii, Carcharodontosaurus saharicus
The three largest Carcharodontosaurids are very similar in size, so they share a common place.
Mapusaurus is often thought to be just 10-11 m long. Actually, that's just a myth. Coria & Curria, Mapusaurus's describers, mentioned some specimens comparable in size with Giganotosaurus carolinii's holotype. There is also a specimen wich is 110 % the size of Giganotosaurus carolinii's holotype. That's just a piubic shaft, so we cannot give a precise estimate for this animal. If it was really 110 % the size of G.carolinii's holotype, it was 13.6 m long, but as this is a fragmentary specimen, we don't know if it really was that large. A wiser 12-13 m range is better for large Mapusaurus specimens. A weight range similar to that of Giganotosaurus is also feasible.
One of the well know guys is Giganotosaurus carolinii. This south american Carcharodontosaurid was discovered back in 1993, and it was one of the largest Theropods. The first specimen is a uncomplete skeleton (around to 50-70 % complete), wich is longer than "Sue" (at 12.2-12.4 m), but lighter (at 6-7 t). A second specimen has been discovered. It's a piece of dental, and it's estimated to be 6.5 % larger than the first specimen. If it was really that big, it was 13.2 m long, but again this specimen is very fragmentary, and precise estimates aren't safe. A 12-13 m range for this specimen is pretty good. Weight estimates ranges from 5 to 14 t, but something like 7-8 t is supported by most of the paleontologist.
Carcharodontosaurus saharicus is the most fragmentary of the three. It's been discovered back in 1927, but only recently we realized how big it really was. Its size strongly depends on its proportions: if it was small-headed, like Acrocanthosaurus, well, the largest speimen, SMG-din 1, would have been a huge behemot, at almost 14 meters long. However, a such build is pretty unlikely, as Acrocanthosaurus is a less derivated Carcharodontosaurid. The much closer Giganotosaurus is a big-headed Theropod, so a big-headed build is likely for Carcharodontosaurus saharicus, too. If it was big headed, it would end up between 12 and 13 meters. Again, 12-13 m is the best range for a such fragmentary beast. A weight similar to that of other giant Carcharodontosaurids is likely.
#5: Spinosaurus aegyptiacus
Once regarded as the biggest Theropod, something changed during last months. In fact, Ibrahim et. al proposed a new recostruction based on new materials. This time, the animal was much closer to the ground than before, and it had a much less deep chest, thus the animal would be lighter. There is no official estimate for the new recostruction, but Andrea Cau mentioned a 6-7 t figure, wich would fit perfectly for a such gracile animal. Spinosaurus aegyptiacus still holds the record as longest Theropod though, at 12-15 meters long.
#6: Tyrannotitan chubuitensis
This guy may not be that well know among the public, but it would definitely deserve to: it's got an epic name, rivalling Tyrannosaurus rex itself. Joking aside, Cau called it "the Cinderella of Giant Theropods", because it's often forgotten, when it's the largest Theropod know from good specimens along with T.rex. Its lenght was estimated at 12.2 m, and that's the only estimate I found. There's even a 13 meters one by GSP, but seems to be based on a 13 m Giganotosaurs holotype, wich is doubtfull. The largest specimen is around as big as Giganotosaurus holotype - so, between 6 and 7 t - making it one of the largest Theropod.
#7: Deinocheirus mirificus
This guy is a new entry. Once an unsolved puzzle, today the most depicted dinosaur on Deviant Art. Only recently we realized how much strange (and big) it was; we've new materials, wich includes two new very good preserved skeletons. This animal was in the 6-6.5 t range, according to new estimates based on new specimens, so it was almost as big as Spinosaurus. Its lenght is measured at 11 m long, thus it was pretty long as well. It may hold the record as the tallest Theropod, at over 4 meters tall.
#8: Acrocanthosaurus atokensis
This guy is easily recognizable due to its muscolar ridge on its back. Even though it isn't always mentioned, it's earned its place here, as it's one of the largest Theropod, as well as apex predator of its ecosystem. The largest specimen is called "Fran", and it's indeed pretty big; it's measured to reach 11,5 meters long over the curves. Weight estimates rage between 5 and 6 t, even though Mazzetta proposed a higher weight of 7 t. Cau said that this Theropod was much more gracile than Tyrannosaurus rex, so a 5-6 t range can be good.
#9: Therizinosaurus cheloniformis
This guy isn't mentioned everywhere, but it should. It's the most massively built Theropod, even more than Tyrannosaurus rex, thus it was among the heaviest. This guy is the only herbivore in my ranking, but it was a Theropod, so I included it. I've found a lot of estimates for this animal, but a 10 meters estiamte for lenght appears to be good. This animal could have weighted around to 5 t. It may have been the tallest Theropod, only rivalled by Deinocheirus.
#10: Suchomimus tenerensis
You weren't expecting to find it here, were you? Actually, even though it's often forgotten, it definitely deserves to be there. Suchomimus's type specimen is a sub adult, yet it's very big: it was originally estimated at 11 meters, but GSP later gave a 9.5 m estimate. However, hartman recently made a skeletal of this specimen, wich is 12 meters long. And it even wasn't an adult. Weight estimates rage from 4 to over 5 tonnes, thus a 4-5 t range can be good.
Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusNov-12-2014 5:04 PMA Deltdadromeus is gracile, wouldn't call it a pushover. Same with Albertosaurus and dozens of other animals. Plus, like I said, an animal that outweighs an elephant isn't a pushover.
You want the dictionary definition?
Gracile- slender, slight
Synonyms- agile, light, spry, nimble, etc
Spinosaurus Rex
MemberCompsognathusNov-12-2014 5:04 PMI remember you personally saying its arms and claws were probably not used in combat, i usually go by past and current experiences of what you say.
Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusNov-12-2014 5:05 PMMe or Mr.Happy? Because, technically, I don't believe I said that.
Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusNov-12-2014 5:05 PMDouble post, my bad.
S-Rex, you always ask us for evidence for our claims. We have evidence. What's yours? I'm asking that out of sheer curiousty.
Spinosaurus Rex
MemberCompsognathusNov-12-2014 5:06 PMWhich is you saying it was a weak worm, with your logic, youve always put slender as "puny"
Lord Vader
MemberTyrannosaurus RexNov-12-2014 5:07 PMPerhaps not very often, but it'd use them any chance it got.
Jack of all trades. Master of none
Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusNov-12-2014 5:07 PMWeak worm? No, I don't think so. Spinosaurus was a giant that outweighed an elephant and took on crocodiles and sharks in it's watery habitat.
Spinosaurus Rex
MemberCompsognathusNov-12-2014 5:09 PMNeed i say my old saying? Or are you just going to allow me to say my educated opinions against your countless attempts to downgrade this animal?
Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusNov-12-2014 5:10 PMDowngrade it? I'm simply presenting what the current evidence shows. It shows an animal in the range of 15 meters in length that tipped the scales at around 6-7 tons. Spinosaurus was a unique, aquatic predator that specialized in a diet of large(and dangerous fish) and crocodiles.
Lord Vader
MemberTyrannosaurus RexNov-12-2014 5:11 PMYou can say your opinion is educated, we can say the same for ours. Just because you openly state it's "educated," doesn't mean we aren't going to disagree.
Jack of all trades. Master of none
Tyrant king
MemberCompsognathusNov-12-2014 5:13 PMwell i say 10 tons on average. and in isnt THAT gracile.
Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusNov-12-2014 5:13 PMI would call this animal a terror of the water...
Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusNov-12-2014 5:14 PMAnd TK, out of sheer curiousity, I ask for sources :D
Spinosaurus Rex
MemberCompsognathusNov-12-2014 5:15 PMYea, and most places i go to research on what i have to say. And that isnt evidence, its a theory. And "dangerous fish"? Oooohhhhhh... Spino has something to worry about now...
Tyrant king
MemberCompsognathusNov-12-2014 5:16 PMspinosaurus would have used it's huge,powerful arms with huge claws and teeth meant to seal the fate of any poor animal dumb enough to get in the way. that is not gracile,puny,or a weak worm.
Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusNov-12-2014 5:16 PMI'd say giant sawfish and sharks would be dangerous wouldn't you?
Where exactly do you go to research?
Spinosaurus Rex
MemberCompsognathusNov-12-2014 5:20 PMGoogle, Bing, Yahoo, the most occupied of all search engines, and which ones are always at the top? Ones that support my theory. I dont go to the 100th page of the search to find my assumptions.
Lord Vader
MemberTyrannosaurus RexNov-12-2014 5:23 PMWikipedia is a great source for base information. However, anyone can edit it to say anything, so I wouldn't trust it too much. It's great for general info.
Jack of all trades. Master of none
Tyrant king
MemberCompsognathusNov-12-2014 5:24 PMI get my onfo the same way dpino rex does. And rex fan out of sheer curiosity why do you think it is accurate for the spino recobstruction to be made up if suchomimus bones? When they clearly are so different?
Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusNov-12-2014 5:25 PMYou realize how often those results are updated? Heck, even Wikipedia mentions the 2014 model/skeleton.
Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusNov-12-2014 5:26 PMAnd TK, it's not. They have a Spinosaurus skeleton that's 40 percent complete. They digitally added Stromers, along with isolated finds, and it increased to 60 percent.
Spinosaurus Rex
MemberCompsognathusNov-12-2014 5:28 PMYea, "mentions" it. It doesnt drop its current data and change it to the new one, you know why? Because its poorly backed up!
Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusNov-12-2014 5:29 PMActually, because it's new. Things just don't change overnight.
Tyrant king
MemberCompsognathusNov-12-2014 5:29 PMNo, they stated that they used several bones from another spinosaurid(suchomimus).
Lord Vader
MemberTyrannosaurus RexNov-12-2014 5:31 PMBecause JP3 and Monsters Resurrected were well backed up, their the real deal, Eh? As Rex Fan said, things don't change overnight. It can takes, days, weeks, months or even years for things to change.
Jack of all trades. Master of none
Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusNov-12-2014 5:31 PMOk, TK, I do remember them saying they used some from Suchomimus to fill in the model, but that's done with many species and it's not given a second thought. It was mostly to fill in minor gaps and such.
Spinosaurus Rex
MemberCompsognathusNov-12-2014 5:32 PMIt's been 2... months... Which approximately means 60 nights...
Tyrant king
MemberCompsognathusNov-12-2014 5:33 PMYet you guys immediately pounced on the idea of spino being a quadruped. Didn't bother think about it much.
Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusNov-12-2014 5:33 PMMany species are known for several years before they even enter the public light.
Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusNov-12-2014 5:34 PMAnd TK, actually, I didn't. When I first saw it, I dismissed it as just "another model." What I didn't know was there was an actual skeleton. Then I considered it and found it likely.