Carnosaur
MemberCompsognathusOct-02-2014 5:03 PMTorvosaurus Gurneyi
Torvosaurus was a very large predator, with an estimated maximum body length of 10 metres (33 ft) and mass of 4–5 tonnes (3.9–4.9 long tons; 4.4–5.5 short tons) for both T. tanneri and T. gurneyi, making Torvosaurus among the largest carnivores of the Jurassic. Claims have been made indicating even larger sizes. The synonymous Edmarka rex was named thus because it was assumed to rival Tyrannosaurus rex in length. Likewise "Brontoraptor" was supposed to be a torvosaur of gigantic size. The T. gurneyi specimens from Portugal initially prompted larger size estimates to be made. In 2006 a lower end of a thighbone, specimen ML 632, was referred toTorvosaurus sp. and later to T. gurneyi. This specimen was initially stated to indicate a length of 11 m (36 ft). Applying the extrapolation method of J.F. Anderson, correlating mammal weights to their femur circumference, resulted in a weight of 1930 kilogrammes. However, revised estimates performed in 2014 suggested a slightly smaller total body size for this specimen, of about 10 m (33 ft). Among the differentiating features between T. gurneyi and T. tanneri are the number of teeth and size and shape of mouth. While the upper jaw of T. tanneri has more than 11 teeth, that of T. gurneyi has less.
Zhuchengtyrannus Magnus
Zhuchengtyrannus is known solely from the holotype ZCDM V0031, a nearly complete right maxilla and associated left dentary (lower jaw, both with teeth) housed at Zhucheng Dinosaur Museum. Casts of the holotype, IVPP FV 1794, are held at the Institute of Vertebrate Paleontology and Paleoanthropology. ZCDM V0031 was collected in situ from the Wangshi Group at Zangjiazhuang quarry, Zhucheng City, dating to the Campanian stage, at least 73.5 million years ago. Zhuchengtyrannus was first described and named by David W. E. Hone, Kebai Wang, Corwin Sullivan, Xijin Zhao, Shuqing Chen, Dunjin Li, Shuan Ji, Qiang Ji and Xing Xu in 2011 and the type species is Zhuchengtyrannus magnus; That holotype consisted of a partial dentary bone, and estimates put Z. magnus at 10-11 meters, 3.5-5 tons in weight.
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MemberTyrannosaurus RexOct-02-2014 5:09 PMAt the maximum weights, I'd say about 55-45 in Zhucheng's favour. At the minimum, I'd say about 60-40 Torvo G's favour. They are similar in terms of overall build, so at parity, neither has the weight or strength advantage, though Zhucheng was likely a tad more intelligent. However, at the minimums, that half ton difference would be quite a game changer.
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MemberAllosaurusOct-02-2014 5:10 PMI don't know, but I'd sau 55-45% Zhucheng
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MemberCompsognathusOct-02-2014 5:19 PMMaximum size for Torvosaurus would be in the ballpark of 7-8 tons if we take into account Edmarka. Zhuchengtyrannus, by guesstimate only, would have a maximum weight of 6-6.5 tons. I'd give the edge to Torvo at parity and maximum sizes, though it'd be something like 55-45.
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MemberTyrannosaurus RexOct-02-2014 5:41 PMWhen I said maximum, I meant the 5 ton maximum stated in the post. Ah well. For the Tyrannosaur vs Megalosaur at parity, it could really go either way, and I'd actually expect it to be 50-50 to 51-49 in either's favour, but, not that it's a surprise, I'm a little biased in a Tyrannosaur's favour. Quote me on that, I don't care.
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MemberCompsognathusOct-02-2014 5:50 PMOh boy... Very tough decision... im gonna have to say a bit of a 50-50 chance in this one Carno, Maaayyyybe a little bit more of an edge for Zhuch, maaaaybe a little bit more of an edge for Torvo, im kinda stumped on this one lol.
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MemberCompsognathusOct-02-2014 6:00 PMFor the species T. Gurneyi, I see what you meant.
And i too have agree with this being very, very close..
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MemberCompsognathusOct-02-2014 6:16 PMYou know what, to break the tie, im just gonna side with Torvo, it was larger and probably pretty strong, another thing is that it was also agile for its size.
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MemberTyrannosaurus RexOct-02-2014 6:37 PMCARNOSAUR - This was very fun to read! Hmm, I'd have to side with Torvosaurus on this one; the overall robust nature of the animal, in my opinion, lends it a solid fighting edge! Thank you ever so much for presenting this! :)
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MemberCompsognathusOct-02-2014 6:43 PMI like this. And, to be honest, I beleive Torvosaurus was about 40 ft long based on the specimen from Europe. If we are going off of that, then maybe 70-30, Torvo favor. If we aren't, then more around 55-45 Z-rex favor. Its a freakin tyrannosaur man, it lived with Tarbosaurus! It hunted Ankhlosaur type dinosaurs! Its big! Torvosaurus can and still does hold its own, so yeah. Those odds sound good.
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Tyrant king
MemberCompsognathusOct-03-2014 2:42 AMTorvosaurus wins at max since it is a bit bigger. Though at parity I say 50-50 since they have similar builds and similar bite forces. Though torvo's arms may prove useful.at minimum sizes torvo also wins due to reason I already stated.
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MemberCompsognathusOct-04-2014 7:56 AMTorovosaurus wins due to it have so many differento weapons at its disposal
55-45 Torvo
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MemberCompsognathusOct-04-2014 9:28 AMI agree.@ mystique, intelligence does not play a role in a fight! Fights are detrmined by instinct.
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MemberTyrannosaurus RexOct-05-2014 5:27 AMTK, instinct is a good chunk of a fight, not the whole fight. In a sense, hunting is a fight when said predator is attacking said prey item. When a pack of Mapusaurus swarms an Argentinosaurus, that's instinct. Argentinosaurus was a prey item, they need to kill it for food. That's instinct. Attacking it. That's instinct. How they attack. That's brains. Same with Dromeasaurus and Edmontosaurus. Dromeasaurs aren't the pound for pound most deadLY dinosaurs out there because they were idiots that ran on instinct.
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MemberCompsognathusOct-05-2014 11:52 AMI'm gonna have to give this one to Z-Rex.
Z-Rex- 55 percent chance
Torvo- 45 percent chance
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