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Cretaceous Carnage #6

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MemberCompsognathusSeptember 01, 20149227 Views91 Replies

Haven't really been active, had to deal with some things. I'll work on the fights  i owe to this and the Godzilla forum tonights, probably..

So anyways, let's begin.

Daspletosaurus

Daspletosaurusis a genus of tyrannosaurid that lived in western North America between 77 and 74 million years ago, during the Late Cretaceous Period. Fossils of the only named species (D. torosus) were found in Alberta, although other possible species from Alberta and Montana await description. Including these undescribed species makes Daspletosaurus the most species-rich genus of tyrannosaur.Daspletosaurus is closely related to the much larger and more recent Tyrannosaurus. Like most known tyrannosaurids, it was a multi-tonnebipedal predator equipped with dozens of large, sharp teeth. Daspletosaurus had the small forelimbs typical of tyrannosaurids, although they were proportionately longer than in other genera. While very large by the standard of modern predators, Daspletosaurus was not the largest tyrannosaurid. Adults could reach a length of 8–9 meters (26–30 ft) from snout to tail. Mass estimates have centered around 2.5 tonnes(2.75 short tons)

Therizinosaurus

Therizinosaurus is agenus of very large theropod dinosaurs.Therizinosaurus comprises the single species (T. cheloniformis), which lived in the late CretaceousPeriod (late Campanian-early Maastrichtianstages, around 70 million years ago), and was one of the last and largest representatives of its unique group, the Therizinosauria. Fossils of this species were first discovered in Mongolia and were originally thought to belong to a turtle-like reptile (hence the species name, T. cheloniformis– "turtle-formed"). It is known only from a few bones, including gigantic hand claws, from which it gets its name. Though the fossil remains of Therizinosaurus are incomplete, inferences can be made about their physical characteristics based on related therizinosaurids. Like other members of their family, Therizinosaurus probably had small skulls atop long necks, with bipedal gaits and heavy, deep, broad bodies (as evidenced by the wide pelvis of other therizinosaurids). Their forelimbs may have reached lengths of up to 2.5 metres (8 feet) or even 3.5 metres (11 feet) in the largest known specimen. In 2010 Gregory S. Paul estimated the maximum size of Therizinosaurus at 10 metres (33 ft) in length and five tonnes in weight

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Look, I feel like your ramming what you have to say down my throat, and you feel the same way about me. So, I think I'm gonna wrap it up here before this goes farther. Fair nuff?

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Aww dont close the thread.

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I'm refuting your points right and left, you're losing this debate so you're going to lock it? 

that much figures.

The only one going to take it too far is you, i'm trying to have a debate with you and you're getting angry and defensive because, why?

 

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Guys stop !!!!!! 

We sll have our opinions!

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Way to go jumping to conclusions. I had no intentions of locking it. I meant I was done. And if you ask me, you didn't refute anything.

 

PS- if you so desire, here's some articles mentioning Pete 3 the Daspletosaurus...

 

http://rmdrc.blogspot.com/2012/01/daspletosaurus-prep-update-now-with.html

 

http://dinosaursanctuary.com/specimens/dinosaurs/theropod/daspletosaurus-torosus-pete-3/

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We have opinions, yes. But, this is debate. Your opinion doesn't matter in this circle, hard scientific evidence for your claims does

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You're saying we have hard scientific evidence for animals that have been dead for 65 million years? Yeah, that's legit.

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By that logic. All we know could be wrong.

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I've read about Pete 3, and it's not even certain it's a daspletosaurus at this point.

http://dinosaursanctuary.com/specimens/dinosaurs/theropod/daspletosaurus-torosus-pete-3/

^ from that article..

"  This specimen shows substantial differences from the holotype D. torosus, and may be described as a new species"

Scientific evidence, yes we do have for certain aspects. But i'm not going into this right now.

Therizinosaurus outweighs Daspletosaurus by a factor of two. Better weaponery or not, the smaller Tyrannosaur is outmatched.

These claws may not be perfect for being used as weapons, but they could inflict deep penetrating wounds and give it a very wide swiping range at the smaller opponent. This, coupled with an obvious tremendous strenght advantage, will easily make up for it´s lack of a dangerous bite. 

You appear to not take into the fact Daspletosaurus is over two times smaller then Therizinosaurus, why would you give it the edge? That's what i want to know.

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Cause it has the tools to deal with therizenosaurs.

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So it's smaller. Doesn't mean it'll lose. Simple as that. A Carcharodontosaurus is smaller than a Spinosaurus. Still can win. A Velociraptor is smaller than a Protoceratops. Still can win. Need I go on?

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That's cause the smaller creatures is adapted to take down the large creatures.

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A Utahraptor is smaller than an Iguanodon. Utahraptor can still win. The list goes on and on.

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Never once did i say it couldn't win, just that it wouldn't win the majority.

Velociraptor/ Protoceratops is a predator/prey relationship, so the answer to that one is pretty much apparent.

Utahraptor/ Iguanodon probable prey - predator relationship as well.

Those aren't good anologies, as they aren't tyrannosaurs. Point me in the direction of showing Tyrannosaurs were capable of killing things significantly larger then themselves, then i'll let it be

In a face to face fight, You can't tell me an animal signifigantly shorter, lighter, and not possessing quite the reach its opponent has is going to win the majority? because...why?

Oh, it's a tyrannosaur, gotcha

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Yes, cause they are adapted to kill Them.

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No other daspletosaurus would win with a bite to the neck.

its not cause its a tyrranosaurs.

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Actually, I'd give the same odds to an Allosaurus, but I doubt you'd believe me.

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Das isn't getting the neck unless it jumps. That's evidenced in the size comparison i posted in the first page.

I wouldn't say tyrannosaurs are adapted to kill therizinosaurs, no. Ankylosaurs/ ceratopsians. Youbetcha.

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So it takes out the legs and the Therizinosaurus falls. Suddenly the neck's in range. There's more than one way to kill a Therizinosaurus.

 

Species of tyrannosaurs have been found alongside therizinosaurs in the Zuni Basin and also in Mongolia, so the two species have been found alonside each other.

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Oh boy, this ones preety tough. Theres little to argue with about those claws, but then again if Daspletosaurus can get to that skinny neck, its preety well over with.

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