Cretaceous Carnage #6

There have been 11 foot therizionosaurus arms found. A Daspletosaurus has to within 4 or so feet to get in a attack. 

Did you read the fight? I gave a link on the first page.

Yeah, it had to results. I'm not saying Das couldn't win but, IMO it would only win 35% of the time. a Daspletosaurus mght not even know what Therzinosauurs is, as it doesn't appear to have any large Therosinosaurs in its environment but,Therzinosaurus has two Tyrannosaurus both bigger then Das.    

Hard to say if Daspletosaurus encountered therizinosaurs. Nothronychus was present at one point. Whether or not it's range overlapped with that of Daspletosaurus at all(or another therizinosaur of some sort) is hard to say.

HPP may i have the article climing 11 foot arms..

Read the Therizinosaurus section of the topic...

Let's see. Therizinosaurus is twice as heavy as Das and has those huge arms. Das would be faster and more agile. It's more even then you'd think. I'd say 50-50, possibly 55-45 in either direction. 

Gonna address some things i saw that were said while i was absent..

An Herbivore sch as therizinosaurus would have claws that have multiple purposes, as nothing so dramatically shaped and long evolves to fit more then one purpose, otherwise it's utterly useless. 

Dromaeosaur claws have been notioned to be used as a "stabbing" tool, though that paper has its fair share of critics.

Dromaeosaur claws being more curved then those of Therizinosaurus suggests they didn't have the same purpose; And the point of therezinosaur claws being "thin" there's a good chance they were covered in keratin, so they wouldn't probably look so thin and fragile while these things were alive. Them not "being as dangerous as they are commonly portrayed" doesn't really mean much; especially in this match. Das is smaller then Therizino by a factor of two, and having claws that slash rather then stab is gonna do an awful lot to a much smaller opponent.

So, let's look at the two.

Therizinosaurus weighs twice as much, has up to an eleven foot reach and claws are particularly useful in self defense, while the tyrannosaur has "agility" and a strong bite for its size.

Therizinosaurus should take this...Some where like 65-35 in its favor. Das is just too small.

I'd like to add in that while that fight is entertaining, it doesn't show evidence of anything. 

You put Therizinosaurus at a weight of 5 tons, he put it at 6 tons. Not a huge difference. You put Daspletosaurus at 2.5 tons, he put it at 3 tons. Once again, I don't know how that's "inflated."

I meant too take that part out...

Anyways, i see you put this at 60-40 in favor of das, why exactly? Therizinosaurus kinda boasts a huge weight advantage and has a long range with its claws

For me it's not the weight it's it reach. Tyrannosaurs aren't very agile because if how robust the are and add in the fact that a Theriznosaurus has 11 foot arms with 3 foot claws on the end... that gives it a hiting range of 14 feet.  

For one thing, I estimate Daspletosaurus at 8-10 meters long and 3-4 tons and Therizinosaurus at 10-11 meters long and 3-5 tons, so there's not that much of a size difference in my opinion. Anyways, I see those claws as somewhat fragile structures not suited for heavy combat. They could cause minor injuries, but nothing overly serious. The Daspletosaurus is faster and more agile, with an immense bite force and large teeth(6-7 inches long). I think that'd be plenty.

Anyways, I see those claws as somewhat fragile structures not suited for heavy combat.

Do you have a paper stating that? I don't see them used in 'heavy combat' but as a self defense measure? you betchya. Those claws undoubted had enough force behind them to cause major lacerations. Not to mention it's dealing with a creature that's around half its weight. Which brings me to my next point, where do you get a 4 ton daspletosaurus from?

Also, i hope you know that 6/7 inches of tooth isn't exposed in the mouth, most of that is root. Das had an exposed tooth lenght of three, maybe four inches.

Das being heavily built, wouldn't probably have a major speed advantage over the herbivore, maybe a little one but not much.

There claws are not truly meant for fighting like a theropod'sclaws. And daspletosaurus bite force would inflict major wounds on the therizenosaurs. Daspletosaurus was much more agile then the herbivore.

I remember reading somewhere(admittidly I can't remember exactly) of a Daspletosaurus specimen nicknamed Pete that was possibly 35 ft. I found that a bit high, so I personally gave Daspletosaurus a max size of 33 ft(4 tons being the corresponding weight). You're right, Daspletosaurus is robust, but did you see the legs and pot belly of Therizinosaurus?

Even a Daspletosaurus would be a lot more agile than that...

As far as the claws not being suited for heavy combat(I see them being used in food gathering), they're just too thin...

Even with a keratin covering, they wouldn't be all that thick or robust.

Plus you must keep in mind Daspletosaurus was built to take on dangerous prey. It hunted ankylosaurs and ceratopsians, plus it had to compete with the ever present Albertosaurus and Gorgosaurus.

I agree with that.

yes, they weren't used for "fighting" but for defensive measures? there's no doubt, claiming otherwise is just baseless speculation. Therizinosaur claws also have a structure comparable to extant animals that use them for defense. I can see them used in food gathering as well, but taking a swat from one of those arms is going to send you away bloodied and or bruised, if not outright kill you. You don't seem to be grasping the idea that, even it they were used for food gathering, they were sharp. And had a 4.5/ 5 ton animal brandishing them, not to mention the animal attacking is much smaller then it.

And in general, Tyrannosaurs weren't very adept at killing things much larger then themselves; as is the case with this match-up. Yes, Das took on dangerous game, but was it substaintially larger then it? nope. Maybe the ankylosaurs/ ceratopsians it lived with weighed in the same ballpark, but not double the weight of this tyrannosaur. Nor were the substaintally taller, or have length arms ending in sharp claws. The only way i see Das killing a Therizino is by ambush, and even then it's not guaranteed.

I just see no evidence on how a tyrannosaur is going to kill an animal with 11 foot arms, tipped with three foot claws, and a weight advantage by a factor of two.

And I see no evidence as why it couldn't. Can you just accept that? If not, then we have a serious problem.

No tyrranosaurs could kill much larger animals, but this is the exception because  daspletosaurus could handle nothyryncus and even though it is maller then therio it is the same basic body plan that daspletosaurus knew how to deal with. Though this would be a bit harder.

@carnosaur your thinking of a sloth I'm sure and the claws were used for defensive measures like slapping and slashing.

I can accept your idealogy. You constantly trying to push it as fact is where we're gonna have a "serious problem". 

Why so hostile? it's called debate buddy. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

Back up your statements with evidence, instead of getting angry with me. Fair nuff?