Cretaceous Carnage #6

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MemberCompsognathusSep-01-2014 9:29 AM

Haven't really been active, had to deal with some things. I'll work on the fights  i owe to this and the Godzilla forum tonights, probably..

So anyways, let's begin.

Daspletosaurus

Daspletosaurusis a genus of tyrannosaurid that lived in western North America between 77 and 74 million years ago, during the Late Cretaceous Period. Fossils of the only named species (D. torosus) were found in Alberta, although other possible species from Alberta and Montana await description. Including these undescribed species makes Daspletosaurus the most species-rich genus of tyrannosaur.Daspletosaurus is closely related to the much larger and more recent Tyrannosaurus. Like most known tyrannosaurids, it was a multi-tonnebipedal predator equipped with dozens of large, sharp teeth. Daspletosaurus had the small forelimbs typical of tyrannosaurids, although they were proportionately longer than in other genera. While very large by the standard of modern predators, Daspletosaurus was not the largest tyrannosaurid. Adults could reach a length of 8–9 meters (26–30 ft) from snout to tail. Mass estimates have centered around 2.5 tonnes(2.75 short tons)

Therizinosaurus

Therizinosaurus is agenus of very large theropod dinosaurs.Therizinosaurus comprises the single species (T. cheloniformis), which lived in the late CretaceousPeriod (late Campanian-early Maastrichtianstages, around 70 million years ago), and was one of the last and largest representatives of its unique group, the Therizinosauria. Fossils of this species were first discovered in Mongolia and were originally thought to belong to a turtle-like reptile (hence the species name, T. cheloniformis– "turtle-formed"). It is known only from a few bones, including gigantic hand claws, from which it gets its name. Though the fossil remains of Therizinosaurus are incomplete, inferences can be made about their physical characteristics based on related therizinosaurids. Like other members of their family, Therizinosaurus probably had small skulls atop long necks, with bipedal gaits and heavy, deep, broad bodies (as evidenced by the wide pelvis of other therizinosaurids). Their forelimbs may have reached lengths of up to 2.5 metres (8 feet) or even 3.5 metres (11 feet) in the largest known specimen. In 2010 Gregory S. Paul estimated the maximum size of Therizinosaurus at 10 metres (33 ft) in length and five tonnes in weight

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Daspletosaurus because a single bite to the neck would suffice. And a few claw swipes will not prevent the Asian tyrant from wining. 70/30 in favor of daspletosaurus. This is a predator prey relationship.

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I'd say 65 35 for Therizionsaurus.

it is bigger just as deadly of weapons and has experience with even larger tyrannosaurs (Tarbosaurus, zhuchengtyrannus)

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And it most likely lost to tarbosaurs .

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There's no evidence to support that. If anything theres evidence against that. The evidence being is hunts fail 9 times out of 10.

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But in a full out face to face, tooth to claw fight to the death. Tarbosaurs(the predator) would win against therizeniosUrus(the prey). But theiro would inflict some nasty wounds on tarbo and daspletosaurus.

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TK - you're thinking of Tarbosaurus/therizinosaurus being a predator prey relationship.

Anyways, this one was broght p in my paleoecology; guess who brought it up?

This guy!

Moving on, Daspletosaurus reaching the neck is going to require a whole lot of effort;

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Wow.  Therizenosaurs is bigger then I expected.... Though it could rear up and bite down on the neck. 60-40 so das stills wins but it won't be easy.

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I'd saw Therizinosaurus, 55-45%

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60-40 in favor of therizinosaurus

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80-20 in favor of therizinosaurus

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60-40 in favor of Daspletosaurus. I don't think those claws were nearly as dangerous as they're often shown to be.

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DinoFights did a fight between these two dinosaurs before...

 

http://www.jurassicworld-movie.com/community/forums/topic/28025

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Think Therinzosaurus could do some damage with these claws. They do look very large and could probably distract a lot in any frontal attack. But Daspletosaurus might get scratched up some, maybe even a severe injury to the face here. But if he got a neck bite in, it would be game over.

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There claws are not truly ment for fighting.

 

clWs like saurophaganax or spinosaurs are ment for fighting.

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Those claws were kind of thin...

 

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Raptor claws are thin... We still view them as weapons of mass destruction.

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It's actually been suggested that Raptors used their claws to stab, not slash. Besides, their not nearly as long as those of Therizinosaurus and they're a lot more curved.

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they will do damage.

just the das will fish off the theirio before it suffers any major damage.

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I those claws can easily cause serious to a das with a good hit. And the Therizinos doesn't actualy have to kill the Das, it just has to ward it off, which good hit to the head of neck will do.

 

Oh, also nobody's mentioned that Therizino is twice as heavy as das. 

 

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That means it's slower. The Therizinosaurus can't exactly do a lot of damage if the Daspletosaurus is never within striking distance. 

 

I think DinoFight's depiction gives a good idea of what might happen.

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There have been 11 foot therizionosaurus arms found. A Daspletosaurus has to within 4 or so feet to get in a attack. 

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Did you read the fight? I gave a link on the first page.

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Yeah, it had to results. I'm not saying Das couldn't win but, IMO it would only win 35% of the time. a Daspletosaurus mght not even know what Therzinosauurs is, as it doesn't appear to have any large Therosinosaurs in its environment but,Therzinosaurus has two Tyrannosaurus both bigger then Das.    

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Hard to say if Daspletosaurus encountered therizinosaurs. Nothronychus was present at one point. Whether or not it's range overlapped with that of Daspletosaurus at all(or another therizinosaur of some sort) is hard to say.

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HPP may i have the article climing 11 foot arms..

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Read the Therizinosaurus section of the topic...

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Let's see. Therizinosaurus is twice as heavy as Das and has those huge arms. Das would be faster and more agile. It's more even then you'd think. I'd say 50-50, possibly 55-45 in either direction. 

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Gonna address some things i saw that were said while i was absent..

An Herbivore sch as therizinosaurus would have claws that have multiple purposes, as nothing so dramatically shaped and long evolves to fit more then one purpose, otherwise it's utterly useless. 

Dromaeosaur claws have been notioned to be used as a "stabbing" tool, though that paper has its fair share of critics.

Dromaeosaur claws being more curved then those of Therizinosaurus suggests they didn't have the same purpose; And the point of therezinosaur claws being "thin" there's a good chance they were covered in keratin, so they wouldn't probably look so thin and fragile while these things were alive. Them not "being as dangerous as they are commonly portrayed" doesn't really mean much; especially in this match. Das is smaller then Therizino by a factor of two, and having claws that slash rather then stab is gonna do an awful lot to a much smaller opponent.

So, let's look at the two.

Therizinosaurus weighs twice as much, has up to an eleven foot reach and claws are particularly useful in self defense, while the tyrannosaur has "agility" and a strong bite for its size.

Therizinosaurus should take this...Some where like 65-35 in its favor. Das is just too small.

I'd like to add in that while that fight is entertaining, it doesn't show evidence of anything. 

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You put Therizinosaurus at a weight of 5 tons, he put it at 6 tons. Not a huge difference. You put Daspletosaurus at 2.5 tons, he put it at 3 tons. Once again, I don't know how that's "inflated."

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I meant too take that part out...

Anyways, i see you put this at 60-40 in favor of das, why exactly? Therizinosaurus kinda boasts a huge weight advantage and has a long range with its claws

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