Tyrannosaurus vs Spinosaurus, who wins?

Sounds pretty damn good. Rex is the most heavily built carnivore in General, so it only makes sense that it is the heavier of the two, and likely the heaviest theropod.

Well put SOMETHING REAL!, but ya what something real said.

I like your Unbiased "no bullshit" "Seriously guys, no BS" Spin on this...

Now, I've said this before, Comparing the two, There is, a tactical advantage to rex... It is more evolved, HOLD YOUR HORSES... I'm not bloody done yet!! There? good, Okay...  

Spino lived 112 million years ago, to 97 million years ago... 

T rex lived 65 Million years ago. 32 million years... is a Pretty long time... 

Lets compare shall we?

Picture, A modren day destroyer (I'm not one for the navy, So If you don't know what it is, please google it...) Thats the T rex...

Now Picutre the USS missouri, Or another battleship. Good? picturing it? Thats gonna be our spino...

Now, The battleship, Strong well built... But primitive... The destoryer, Is cutting edge, Smaller, But can still pack one hell of a punch... More weapons, Smaller, But strong.

"Size matters not" -Yoda

Exactly... 

The battleship, Can still fight, she was built to destroy and kill... She can win if she wants to...

The Destroyer, Is built to defend, and destroy... Better equipped, Some flaws... 

The battleship, looks like a winner, right off the bat. However, She is old, She's missed years to evolve (32 million to be exact) By the time all her guns ahve fired and reloaded (One 900 pound shell, 12 MAIN GUNS, 24 smaller battarys)... The destroyer had already delieverd 42 shots from her main battery, 6 Surface to air Missiles, and blasts from many other guns...

4/10 Battleship wins.

4/10 Destroyer wins.

2/10 They sink each other.

The thing is, They're evenly matched... just like rex and spino, What spino lacks in weaponry, she makes up for, in brute strenght and integrity. What rex lacks in size, she makes up for, In force, and weapons...

One day, We should just respect these beasts, for who they are, Not what we want them to be... 

They would've never met... just like the destoryer and battleship... The destroyers ancestors could not have taken her on (Thats for another day)... But now, Destoryer can... But Battleships, are all but gone from the world...

Just like rex and spino, 'Cept Their both dead... 

They lived on different continents and different times...

Lets just let, and let be... Respect the beasts, Peacefully discuss them...

And enjoy, what the earth created, Years before man...

indeed Something real, most predators it lived with were much smaller then it. Te othe rTyrannosaurus' though, that's an entirely different issue.

We have fossil evidence of Tyrannosaur face biting and some pretty gruesome wound that had...and hadn't... Healed, leaving their mark on the bones.

An animal that can take a bite from a Tyrannosaur is a tough animal indeed.

On the other hand, Spinosaurus lived with some huge predatory animals. All carcharodontosaurs, which were nasty in their own right. However, we have no evidence these animals ever confronted each other; it appears spinosaurus was mostly a fish eater. I've covered that in past topics, though.

What I find funny, Is people can't take it when their told, "Spino Ate a fair amount of fish" But rex fans can take "Rex was a scavanger"

I think both statements hold truth, And lies...

Nothing evolves the way it does, for no reason, I'll admit, the fish were pretty damn big back then... But, a dinosaur wouldn't grow THAT big to hunt fish on down in the Crik... (Spino Probably did hunt some fish... BUT, do crocs eat just fish?)

Nor would won grow that big to scavange... (Rex probably did scavange, But, It wouldn't grow that big to fend off a scavanged kill...)

-Paden

*Facepalms*

*Watches a Spinosaurus facepalm*

*Watches a T. rex attemp to facepalm and fail because his arms are too short*

If its last man standing, then T. rex wins. Hands down. No contest. Spinosaurus was deab millions of years before T. rex was even born. So, T. rex was the lad one standing before it ever came into existence. That sounds right, right? No. 

Lets just say thfew more wars have been fought about this than anything else in the history of the planet. To quote somebody, maybe Paden, maybe Rex Fan, "Your beating the dead horse," or should I say, tsake dead theropods. Stop this madness right now. Unbiased no BS my......

No animal can lean on one food item the entirety of it's life, those species would become extinct in a heartbeat.

Spino evolved into what it is to avoid competition with the large land based theropods it lived with (sauroniops, Bahariasaurus. Carcharodontosaurus..)

Like all spinosaurs, it's specialized for Fishing. 

Your point on the crocodile is 100% correct.

They eat fish, have jaws suited perfectly for it, but they commonly eat zebra, wildebeast, Impala, etc.

Tyrannosaurus being a scavenger is still kicking for some reason...huh..

Delta, you can never say T-rex "Clearly wins." T-rex and SPino are both DEAD. Even all of the info we have on them, any day our info on how these creature lived could be proved wrong.

delta, do you have an issue with my post?

If its last man standing, then T. rex wins. Hands down. No contest. Spinosaurus was deab millions of years before T. rex was even born. So, T. rex was the lad one standing before it ever came into existence. That sounds right, right? No.  

i never said this..

No animal wins hands down, 10/10 times any way 401. Finally, a spino fan enters the ring..

also, we are gonna drop this" both are dead, we never will know" thing...the point of this is to discuss what would happen IF they fought..

Well, I just think Spino would win. Now by win I don't mean completely tear Rex apart into pieces, just simply beat Rex in a fight.

I think rex would win if it got its jaws anywhere that can break bone or deliver a fatal wound. if spino didnt get injured and was able to take its claws to make the rex die of blood loss it would win. Also rex had bacteria in its mouth. One bite will cause an infection

i rhink rex wins most of the time because of its weaponry 

do you have reasons why, 401?

Well, I would say why but then I would get some Rex fans trying to prove me wrong saying that I have to have sources, etc. I am honestly afraid to give my opinion when it comes to Rex and SPino.

In an actual combat Scenario?

In a place frozen in time, Where Pangea still exists, and somehow, Rex and spino live (Pangea breaking is kinda the reason they both exist)

Off the top of my head...

I'd say... And this is really rough... Maybe, 48 - 52, Spino Vs Rex... 

It's the "what if" factor people like to discuss. "Rex and Spino are both dead and never would have met." Thank you very much captain obvious. What if they did meet, if they did fight? That's what people like talking about. What if Hitler didn't invade Russia? What if the Japanese plan worked on Pearl Harbour? What if the Japanese didn't attack Pearl Harbour? 

well, the point of this is to get why you think spino would beat rex out there. And, you kinda do have to have sources and what not, they make your claims valid. Welcome to the world of debate, 401..

Please people, we are the civilized people on scified, and in my opinion, we are all acting like a bunch of monkeys. ( me included, and I take responsibility that I might have helped cause it) of course, give an infinite of monkeys and infinite of time and an infinite of typewriters and theyed make a Shakespheare. However you spell his name.

all I'm trying to do is jay stop commenting and just leave this thing alone. Its been said time and time again. Also, I was being sarcastic when I sthat that T. rex would win hands down. Not the derogatory kind, but the kind where I'm just joking.

what are you even talking about?

No body is out of hand, no body is acting uncivilized. 

Honestly, if you don't want to read this post, don't reply.

However, if you want to discuss this, like i so badly want to, let's go.

No, I mean one time I DID provide sources but people just siad they were unreliabel for every one I gave.. And a lot of times I see Rex fans saying Rex had a bite force of 15 tons and they don't even mention where they got that info. And I had to take a debate section, so I already know about the world of debating, as a matter of fact, we're doing it incorrectly.

And how are we acting like monkeys?

ok, as i've said....this is what this is what this post is for, don't be afraid to get your ideas out there.

FYI, those are Tyrannosaurus fanboys with the 15 ton bite force thing..somewhere around 6-8 is more realistic. Though i would need to revisit some jaw mechanic papers..

I instantly regret my decision to get involved. Sorry, I got steamed. I come from a time there this subject would get a bit more ah, angry, rude, violant, and overal internety (new word). Sorry, I was acting on impulse.

Thank you, you are one of the few rex fans who don't say the bite force was 15 or 20 tons.  I will admit that Spino was weaker in bite force though. I would state my opinion, but the thing is we know so littel about SPino, I can't be sure to be safe with my opinion. I once stated my full opinion on my Scified site and some people just felt every need to prve every single part of my opinion WRONG.

I believe, they are evenly matched...

There is no right answer...

401 Has a point... Spino could beat rex...

Rex could be spino...

We can only assume...  Based on the little facts we have... 

Thank you Paden for understanding me. I must be realistic. Rex could beat Spino, Spino could beat Rex, maybe there could be a tie. Now that I think of it, Dinosaur fights wouldn't always result in death and a winner. Fights only took place to fight for something like food, a mate, territory, etc. I am pretty sure fights would be a last-one-standing battle.

*smashes head on wall* 

Let's just go back to the original purpose for thos thread; discussion Rex vs Spino in a civilized, non BS way. Let's keep fanboys and sh!t out of this, and if we don't, I will lock this topic.

Consider yourselves warned. That goes for me too.

I was discussing Rex vs SPino in a civilized manner... I was just proving we can't really say too much about Spino.

Spinosaurus is in such a fragmentary state, every thing is a  guess..

However, we can infer based on it's closest relatives( in body structure at least) such as suchomimus and baryonyx.

Even then, we may be wrong...for all we have is these remains..

*17 meters is probably the max for the species

Some of us may take this too far, and the warning is more for BEFORE that happens. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

My point exaclty. I will be brutally honest...

I have jack sh!t when it comes to defending or supporting Spinosaurus.

@MR. Happy. Sometimes it's more annoying when people put warnings before anything even happens than when there is an actual fight. So far there are no signs of any fight even starting. All of us discussing here are all mature.

Just saying.

Ole spino has little to defend on his grounds..

32 posts, lol

Sorry, I find it funny.

How is it funny that a couple of people are having an interesting debate?

Yes, I do hope one day more remains of Spino are found...

Sorry. I find it annoying when people say something and give no reason for it. I understand what you mean by it, but it still ticks me off.

I didn't say anything without giving reason. I have no reason for my opinion on Spino, which is why I didn't mention my opinion. This is debate. It's practically a rule to not give opinion during debate.

Very well said Carnosaur about walking on eggshells when it comes to this topic. And Mr.Happy, what 401 just said is true, it does get annoying when somebody puts out a warning before any violence takes place, thats like getting a warning from a cop before (or if you ever do) exceed the speed limit.

These animals wouldn't have quick reactions times, by modern animal standars. Recently read something that stated large bodied theropods couldn't make a 360 degree turn in 4 seconds....and speed is certainly a factor when it comes to combat.

on to the overall speed of the animals...neither was a roadrunner from hell. Old Rexy might have averaged 15- 18mph...not entirely up to par with running speeds of Spinosaurs...but a guess is Spino probably could do 15 mph easily

I'm not sure why I find it funny to tell the truth, but it is. In that good "Hey, its a Raptor in a top hat and monocle" not the "I laughed when somebody tripped over thier shoelace.Observe changed my mind, this is a good discussion. 

T. rex vs Spino, 50/50. They had thier ups and down. Each of them. Spino with long, strong arms as well as possibly being faster. Awe don't have enough evidence, but this is what I believe. Also with the t rex having a huge bite force 7 tons, and being very strong. Its an even match practically. We may never know, but we may also find the answer in a few years with a time machine. You just never know.