Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusOct-07-2014 1:34 PMSo we all know about the new Spinosaurus reconstruction. In other forums, I've seen people say it's impossible because it couldn't pronate it's hands or it would dull it's claws which were clearly important for Spinosaurus. I thought of a solution for it. There's a good chance I'm not the only one that thought of this, but I figured I'd post it anyways. Spinosaurus could walk on it's knuckles, like a sloth, gorilla, or chimp. This would keep it's claws safe and it wouldn't have to pronate it's hands(impossible to do). I agree with the new reconstructions and I think this goes right in line with it. In my opinion, this is how Spinosaurus moved.
indiana jones
MemberCompsognathusOct-10-2014 9:02 PMHAHA you said fodder!
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Lord Vader
MemberTyrannosaurus RexOct-11-2014 4:36 AMWell said Carno. I do apologize if I have said anything (recently, I know I've said crap in the past) that pissed him off. It's unintentional, I try to be nice, but I'm a teenager, and honestly I dint even realize I'm being an ass half the time.
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Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusOct-11-2014 4:41 AMCarno, if you're referring to me about the whole "4 ton weight," I'd just like to state, for the record, I lean more toward the 5-7 ton range based on what was said here...
http://events.nationalgeographic.com/events/exhibits/2014/09/12/spinosaurus-lost-giant-cretaceous/
Here(in the second sentence) it says 15 meters and 6 tons. I figured it should be given a bit of a buffer going both ways(hence 5-7 tons).
Carnosaur
MemberCompsognathusOct-11-2014 9:17 AMNature doesn't deceive us; it is we who deceive ourselves.
Something Real
MemberTyrannosaurus RexOct-11-2014 9:45 AMCARNOSAUR - I agree whole-heartedly with your assessment. However, becoming irate over a topic as subjective as paleontology is anathema to the process of debate. Anger within the course of expounding portrays an existing agenda that can do only one thing to healthy discourse, poison it. What good does it do to show aggression in the midst of conversation? None. Such reaction serves only to break down the chain of dialogue into a meaningless quibble. Behaving in such a manner completely destroys any credibility you've established within the context of the subject in question and results in others choosing - more often than not - to avoid you in favor of more polite conversation. Thus, we move into the process of alienation and the sort of social discord that arises from its inception. If in the process of extolling a notion, one must always remember to leave room for other possibilities and place emotion firmly where it belongs, away from the established dialogue. Responding to a notion that goes against what you hold as truth with anger or resentment is the root to the vast majority of the problems that have plagued mankind since he arose upon this world. Only through introspection and intellectual honesty can we move beyond petty and menial arguments in favor of stimulating conversation that breeds new ideas and ways of thinking. To do otherwise is to stagnate - a process that undermines everything one has toiled to achieve.
Regardless of everything I've hitherto stated, I'll be the first to champion your statement that we might as well get along here! Wiser words have rarely been spoken, and I thank you ever so much for having presented them! :)
Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusOct-11-2014 11:52 AMCranky and tired I can understand ;)
GeneralHelghast
MemberCompsognathusNov-25-2014 7:57 PMFuck the knuckle-walking idea! That sounds like regressive devolution to me! Ibrahim should burn in hell for ruining my childhood.
GeneralHelghast
MemberCompsognathusNov-25-2014 8:05 PM
Here is what it should look like, if there was actually an adult Spinosaurus skeleton, and not the chimera-ass monstrosity and mockery of paleontology we see today with its half gorilla, half crocodile, half duck ugliness. Spinosaurus was NOT a quadrapedal creature and anyone who says otherwise is T-Rex fanboy who falsely accuse one my childhood favorites as an evolutionary deadend or a myth, which I hardly find anything of the sort to make me not love this dinosaur. Its a shame that Ibrahim was lucky to have huge flocks of ignorant people supporting his theory.
Silver_Falcon
MemberCompsognathusNov-25-2014 8:55 PMCalm down there man. Here, have a waffle: (>'.')>#
Here, have a waffle (-'.')-#
Carnosaur
MemberCompsognathusNov-26-2014 7:45 PM^^ this guys...
I swear man..
There's not a whole lot of evidence saying its a quadrupedal animal.Look at the facts first before you go off on another rant.
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/suppl/2014/09/10/science.1258750.DC1/Ibrahim.SM.pdf
^ read it.
S. aegyptiacus is aunique theropod in several important aspects and will likely remain a taxon of intenseinterest for its size, adaptations, and life habits. There is no question that the holotypeand referred fossils from Egypt collected by Stromer have been destroyed. Returnexpeditions to Stromer’s localities in Egypt have failed to discover substantial additional material of S. aegyptiacus
"...Emended Diagnosis: Spinosaurid with adult body length ~15 m characterized by the
following cranial features: external naris and narial fossa small and retracted near the
orbit on the side of the posterior snout; premaxilla excluded from the border of the
external naris. Distinguishing postcranial features include strongly constricted
hourglass-shaped and elongated dorsal centra; dorsal neural spine height up to ten
times greater than centrum height; greatest anteroposterior dorsal neural spine width
below spine apex; dorsal neural spines composed of dense bone with a narrow central
zone of cancellous bone; proximal one-third of dorsal neural spines textured
externally by vertical striae; long bones lack open medullary cavity; length of ilium
larger than dorsoventral length of femur; femur strongly bowed anteriorly with fourth
trochanter hypertrophied, extending along ~25% of the femoral shaft; pedal digit I
long, digit I-1 phalanx longest nonungual phalanx in the pes; pedal unguals broader
than deep with length almost four times proximal depth; pedal unguals with flat
ventral surface."
"Referred Material, Junior Synonym
Although hundreds of isolated bones and teeth of S. aegyptiacus are in collections around
the world, a few specimens are more complete and thus have garnered attention.
“Spinosaurus B”. Stromer designated bones found in close association as “Spinosaurus
B” (2), a partial skeleton that was entirely destroyed in WWII. The unusual proportions
of the neotype (reduced pelvis size and short hind limb length compared to the axial 10
column) are also present (and nearly identical) in this specimen (fig. S2), suggesting that
it composed a second associated individual of S. aegyptiacus."
^ there in that last paragraph they're referring to Sigilmassasaurus brevicollis, "Spinosaurus B" in other words. If Ibrahim is correct, S. brevicolis is a junior synonym( in other words the same animal) as S. aegyptiacus.
Spinosaurus maroccanus. This species was based on a single supposed proportional
difference using measurements given by Stromer (11). We regard this difference as an
artifact of differing ways to measure opisthocoelous vertebrae. Following the conclusions
of previous studies (6, 13). We regard this species as a nomen dubium
No where in this paper does it say Spinosaurus is a quadrupedal animal. Merely that it was adapted for a semi-aquatic life style(if you didn't figure this much out, then i just don't know man.
Anyways, cheers.
Nature doesn't deceive us; it is we who deceive ourselves.