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MemberCompsognathusSep-05-2014 10:18 AM

Carcharodontosaurus

Carcharodontosaurus is a genus of Carcharodontosaurid  that existed between 100 and 93 million years ago, during the late Albian to early Cenomanian stages of the mid-Cretaceous Period. It is currently known to include two species, C.saharicus and C.iguidensis, which were among the larger theropods, as large as or slightly bigger than Tyrannosaurusand possibly slightly larger than Giganotosaurus, but not quite as large as Spinosaurus.The genus Carcharodontosaurus is named after the shark genus Carcharodon. The Carcharodontosauridae includes some of the longest and heaviest known carnivorous dinosaurs, with various scientists proposing length estimates for the species C. saharicus ranging between 12 and 13 m (39 and 43 ft) and weight estimates between 6 and 15 metric tons.Paleontologists once thought that Carcharodontosaurus had the longest skulls of any of the theropod dinosaurs. However, the premaxilla and quadrate bones were missing from the original African skull, which led to misinterpretation of its actual size by researchers. A more modest length of 1.6 meters (5.2 ft) has now been proposed for C. saharicus, and the skull of C. iguidensis is reported to have been about the same size. Currently, the largest known theropod skull belongs to anotherhuge carcharodontosaurid dinosaur, the closely related Giganotosaurus (with skull length estimates up to 1.95 m) (6.3 ft).

Tyrannosaurus

Tyrannosaurus is a genus of Tyrannosaur from the late cretaceous of North America. commonly abbreviated to T. rex, is a fixture in popular culture. The T. rex lived throughout what is now western North America, which then was an island continent named Laramidia. Tyrannosaurus had a much wider range than other tyrannosaurids. Fossils are found in a variety of rock formations dating to the Maastrichtian age of the upper Cretaceous Period, 67 to 66 million years ago. It was among the last non-avian dinosaurs to exist before the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event.Like other tyrannosaurids, Tyrannosaurus was a bipedal carnivore with a massive skull balanced by a long, heavy tail. Relative to its large and powerful hind limbs, Tyrannosaurus fore limbs were short but unusually powerful for their size and had two clawed digits. Although other theropods rivaled or exceeded Tyrannosaurus rex in size, it was the largest known tyrannosaurid and one of the largest known land predators. In fact, the most complete specimen measures up to 12.3 m (40 ft) in length, up to 4 metres (13 ft) tall at the hips, and up to 6.8 metric tons (7.5 short tons) in weight. By far the largest carnivore in its environment, Tyrannosaurus rex may have been an apex predator, preying upon hadrosaurs, ceratopsians, and possibly sauropods;  It is estimated to be capable of exerting one of the largest bite forces among all terrestrial animals.

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Lord Vader

MemberTyrannosaurus RexSep-05-2014 10:58 AM

Provided Carcharodontosaurs wasn't overeight tons in weight, I'd say about 60-40 Rex's favour at parity. At parity, agility isn't going to help either, and Rex's superior bite would give the King an edge. 

 

Given Carchar exceeded eight tons, I'd say 55-45 Carchar depending on the size (nine tons 60-40, 10 tons, 65-35, and so on). Rex was not built to take on creatures much larger than itself, so that's what I think.

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Sci-Fi King25

MemberAllosaurusSep-05-2014 1:00 PM

I'd say 50-50%, with Carchar being more agile and Rex being stronger.

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Tyrant king

MemberCompsognathusSep-05-2014 1:02 PM

Yes i say 50-50 fight.

Allotitan

MemberCompsognathusSep-05-2014 3:01 PM

Matters on size of Charcaradontosaurus, like Mr Happy said. Bigger the eight tons 55-45 and so on. Though I think if rex can get a crucial bite the fight is over. If they were same sized. It would be 50-50.

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Tyrant king

MemberCompsognathusSep-05-2014 3:10 PM

Why  wouldn't carcjy have a deadly bite? Its bite would cause massive bloodloss. Wich is deadly, crushing bites and slicing bites are totally equall and dangerous.

Allotitan

MemberCompsognathusSep-05-2014 3:25 PM

Its is deadly. But rex's bite is more deadly. Think if it this way:

You are about to be killed, twice.

the first time, you get sliced, and sliced until you bleed to death, this may take a few minutes

 

now you are getting impaled to death. It burns as it goes through skin, but soon you hear the crack of youre spine. You're paralyzed, you can't move. Then, in a split second, you're neck breaks. It's all over now...

that takes about a few seconds. 

Thus they both have deadly bites but one is worse than the other.

When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade. Tell life I don't want you're damn lemons, and then squeeze them into life's eyes!

Silver_Falcon

MemberCompsognathusSep-05-2014 3:28 PM

Not necesarily worse, just faster.

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Tyrant king

MemberCompsognathusSep-05-2014 3:36 PM

one has a shark bite(slicing) wich tears massive chunks of flesh and cause tons of blood loss. cutting bones off flesh

the other has a hyena bite(crushing) wich cause broken bone and pierced flesh. straight up pulverizing bones.

i say they will cause equally horriffic bites.

Allotitan

MemberCompsognathusSep-05-2014 4:02 PM

Yeah Silver Falcon I ment to say faster instead of worse

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Raptor-401

MemberAllosaurusSep-05-2014 4:18 PM

I would certainly say a 50-50 fight, they both had their advantages and disadvantages.

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Carnosaur

MemberCompsognathusSep-05-2014 5:15 PM

Carchy weighed in at about 8 tons. That's a sue sized animal, whether this is an average individual or just larger then average is indeterminate at the moment, though i've established that Carcharodontosaurus(including Iguidensis) had a size range of 40-46 feet, and a weight of 6-9 tons.

Tyrannosaurus had a serious set of jaws...perhaps the jaws with the most bite force of any terrestrial carnivore to ever walk our earth.

That doesn't mean the slicing dentition of Carcharodontosaurus is less lethal, though. In a paper i'm co-authoring, we've set forth the idea that like the name sake(Carcharodon - Great whike shark and kin) these animals would go on a 'full out assult' if you will, leaing massive wounds and waiting for prey to die of shock and blood loss.

Theory mind you, and it has its kinks.

But, this is a face to face fight, and i don't think a Tyrannosaur is going to let something that just attack it leave..

Tyrannosaurus has sheer bulk and a powerful jaw, while Carcharodontosaurus has slicing dentition, opposable arms, and it might - just might - have been more fleet footed. 

All in all, I'd give a very slight edge towards Tyrannosaurus, but this one is pretty close.

Nature doesn't deceive us; it is we who deceive ourselves.

Allotitan

MemberCompsognathusSep-05-2014 5:40 PM

You're coauthoring a paleontologic paper? Man, I used to think you were a paleontogist in disguise. Now those are just old, old suspicions from when I first started. But you do seem like a paleontologist.

When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade. Tell life I don't want you're damn lemons, and then squeeze them into life's eyes!

Carnosaur

MemberCompsognathusSep-05-2014 6:01 PM

Yes, The jaw mechanics of the Carcharodontosauridae is the working title, we're still far down the road from having it published, and the sheer amount of technical terms that we have to use makes my brain hurt, haha.

I'm flattered allo, but i'm just a student at the moment...within the next four or so years i hope to have a degree in this field

 

Nature doesn't deceive us; it is we who deceive ourselves.

Allotitan

MemberCompsognathusSep-05-2014 6:10 PM

Oh. What are you going to do after you graduate? Are you going to go in the field or stay in the museums?

When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade. Tell life I don't want you're damn lemons, and then squeeze them into life's eyes!

Tyrant king

MemberCompsognathusSep-05-2014 6:21 PM

iOk ways knew you we're in a paleontologist.

i am going to. College  that majors in paleontology .

Carnosaur

MemberCompsognathusSep-05-2014 6:22 PM

hopefully gonna go out into the field, i've already been on a couple minor digs out in Austin, NV..but, if it'd be at all possible i'd like to be a paleontological consultant for museums, documentaries, etc.

Nature doesn't deceive us; it is we who deceive ourselves.

Silver_Falcon

MemberCompsognathusSep-05-2014 7:48 PM

I as well plan on getting a degree in paleontology, but I'd prefer to be a collection manager, and sort all of the un-labeled fossils that have been found, as there are likely some amazing finds amongst them.

Here, have a waffle (-'.')-#

Rex Fan 684

MemberCompsognathusSep-06-2014 11:06 AM

Keep in mind T.rex had a far bigger brain than Carcharodontosaurus, so that'd be an advantage. I'm giving this one to T.rex with 60-40 odds. 

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Tyrant king

MemberCompsognathusSep-06-2014 12:41 PM

intelegence dosent play as big a role in a fight as you think. they fight by instinct,as do all animals even humans

 

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