Jurassic World Movies

The dwarf dinosaurs of Transylvania - and their turkey-sized 'apex predator'

1219 Views16 Replies
Forum Topic

Rex Fan 684

MemberCompsognathusAug-25-2013 5:44 PM
[img]http://www.walkingwithdinosaurs.com/suploads/magyarosaurus-800_medium.jpg[/img] A time-traveller transported to the end of the Cretaceous period in what is now western Romania would have encountered a truly tropical idyll. About 70 million years ago, the area was covered in a lush vegetation of ferns, exotic bushes and occasional palm trees, dotting the banks of fast-flowing rivers and small ponds. It was all strikingly different from the region’s present-day mountainous landscape of beech and pine forests. But the largest differences our time traveller might have noted concern the animals that populated this exotic environment. Dinosaurs, including plant-eating sauropods and ornithopods and predatory dromaeosaurs, moved through the understory, either feeding on the plants or pursuing their prey, both small and large. Or at a closer glance - both small and… small. Few of the hunted plant-eaters is larger than any of the surrounding bushes, while the hunter itself is only turkey-sized, although bearing an impressive armoury of two scythe-like killing claws on its feet. On seeing these tiny animals, the time traveller might suddenly feel like Jonathan Swift’s Gulliver, washed ashore in a dinosaurian Lilliput. Dinosaurs are often stereotyped as huge prehistoric creatures, the largest animals that ever walked the Earth. And they indeed included many gigantic species such as the herbivorous Argentinosaurus, or the carnivorous Carcharodontosaurus. But dinosaurs, just as any other group of animals, came in all shapes and sizes. Some of the smallest ‘true’ - or non-avian - dinosaurs did not exceed half a metre in length (like the Chinese Microraptor, which really lived up to its name). And, as birds themselves are their descendants, dinosaurs also include some of the smallest vertebrates to have ever lived, such as the 5cm-long bee hummingbirds. So it is not unexpected to discover small dinosaurs in every corner of the world. What is unexpected is that in Romania 70 million years ago, the small dinosaurs are not associated with larger ones. Both plant-eaters and meat-eaters are minute, scaled-down versions of those living elsewhere. What might have happened to these dinosaurs? The Cretaceous was a time of warm temperatures and high sea levels, a very different world from our own. Almost all of Europe was covered by shallow seas, which to the south became the deeper Tethys Ocean. Mountain chains stretching across southern Europe, like the Pyrenees, the Alps, or the Carpathians, were still far from completion. In their stead, the huge expanses of the warm, tropical waters of Tethys were dotted with many small and large islands. Over geological time, these islands shifted and drifted, grew and shrunk, coalesced and fragmented, turned green or went barren - as dictated by a complex interplay of plate tectonic movements, oscillating sea levels, and climate changes. Animals (including dinosaurs) and plants colonised these islands from nearby continents when sea levels fell, then became stranded on them when the waters rose again. And that’s where the story of the dwarf dinosaurs begins. Isolated in their new island home, the immigrant dinosaurs faced novel, often more severe living conditions. These included restricted resources, increased competition with native species, but decreased competition from mainland siblings, lower predator pressure, and possibly reproductive shortcomings due to the small size of founder populations. In order to cope with these new conditions, one solution was to reduce body size (to ‘dwarfen’) so as to more easily accommodate lower food and area availabilities. But body size changes also aided island survival in other ways. These included adjusting reproductive strategy and the pathway of individual development, avoiding competition, or maximising the efficiency of energy expenditure. It is well-known that this path was taken by island-dwellers from more recent times, such as the dwarf elephants, mammoths, and hippos of the Mediterranean islands of Crete, Sicily or Cyprus. Or the ‘hobbit men’ of the Indonesian island of Flores. And recently, we also learned that the small dinosaurs of Romania - such as the ornithopod Zalmoxes, the duckbill Telmatosaurus, or the titanosaur Magyarosaurus (pictured above) - went the same way. They were not simply juveniles of some large dinosaur species. Instead, they reduced their body size to better adapt to their new island habitat. A quick look at the Romanian dinosaurs shows they were truly spectacular, and not only due to their small body sizes. Apparently, Telmatosaurus was not so very different from cousins such as Edmontosaurus or Tsintaosaurus, who lived in North America and Asia at more or less the same time, except that it was much smaller. With its length of about 4m, it barely reached half the size of most other duckbills, if that. Telmatosaurus might also have laid fewer eggs per clutch. This was an essential shift in reproductive strategy, allowing these tiny hadrosaurs to maintain the relatively large size of the eggs themselves (which meant relatively large hatchlings), while not taxing the resources of the mother to the extreme during the reproductive season. Zalmoxes, the other Romanian ornithopod, is not so small, relatively speaking, although it was still a dwarf. It reached between half and two-thirds of the body size of close relatives living in Spain and France. But it was built more robustly: a chunky little herbivore, so unlike the general ornithopod body plan, but well suited for fast movement. Most peculiar of all was the hunter - Balaur, an aberrant dromaeosaur first described just two years ago. It was not particularly small compared to relatives like the Asian Velociraptor or the North American Saurornitholestes. But it was different: apparently more robust, with two-fingered hands and four-toed feet, bearing a pair of enlarged, sharp sickle claws – the hallmark feature of Balaur. More subtle changes to its morphology include the extensive fusion of the bones in its hand and especially hindlimb. These are more reminiscent of conditions seen in island-dwelling mammalian herbivores than in anything dinosaurian. Just as in the case of fossil dwarf hippos and goats, these modifications might have allowed Balaur a slower but more stable gait across the rugged, rocky terrain of the island it inhabited. Safety was favoured over speed: after all, the prey had no chance to escape in the long run. They were all living on an island… But how can we be sure that these small dinosaurs were indeed dwarfed members of their groups, and not simply juveniles? Their bones tell the tale. By looking at the microscopic inner structure of fossilised bones (the so-called osteo-histology), it is possible to work out how old the animal was when it died, how fast it grew, whether there were changes in its growth rate, or how active its metabolism might have been. The bones of the Romanian island dinosaurs suggest that they reached very small adult body sizes. In a word, they ‘dwarfed’. And by doing so, they created this ‘Dinosaurilliput’, one of the many small dinosaur wonder worlds that recent research is starting to unravel in other parts of Europe as well, from Hungary to Germany and Italy.
"Men like me don't start the wars. We just die in them. We've always died in them, and we always will. We don't expect any praise for it, no parades. No one knows our names." ―Alpha-98
16 Replies

Deltadromeus

MemberCompsognathusAug-25-2013 6:28 PM
I really like that idea. Is just a very, very long way of saying, smaller land, smaller animals. Like in Madagascar. Majungasaurus, Masiakasaurus, the animals morphed into something different from the usual pattern. But rex fan, don't forget, Balaur isn't the biggest thing there. Eloptryxs and Bradycneme where around deinonychus where larger than five feet, which is the biggest Balaur ever got, as far as we know at least.

Hi

DinoFights

MemberCompsognathusAug-25-2013 7:59 PM
I'd love to visit the tiny world. Time travel may be possible, being that their was allegedly a 300 million year old shoe print found somewhere. I'm a little dubious about it, but it's a cool idea.
Announcement Coming Soon Prepare yourselves, DinoFans!

Deltadromeus

MemberCompsognathusAug-25-2013 8:08 PM
I don't think time travel is possible anymore. There is no time, it is just something we humans made up to try and understand something. To keep track of events, but the universe never started with time, it only happened when humans came up with it.

Hi

Rex Fan 684

MemberCompsognathusAug-25-2013 8:12 PM
So my discussion about mini-dinosaurs became a debate about the philosophy of time and time travel? haha
"Men like me don't start the wars. We just die in them. We've always died in them, and we always will. We don't expect any praise for it, no parades. No one knows our names." ―Alpha-98

DinoFights

MemberCompsognathusAug-25-2013 8:15 PM
Strange, isn't it?
Announcement Coming Soon Prepare yourselves, DinoFans!

Deltadromeus

MemberCompsognathusAug-25-2013 8:18 PM
I must say, sometimes these discussions change into something completly different than what it was originally, most of them are rex vs Spino. Speaking of which, should I make one?

Hi

Rex Fan 684

MemberCompsognathusAug-25-2013 8:20 PM
A Rex vs Spino? I don't think so. It's overdone already. To be honest, I'm a little tired of the Rex vs Spino fights/debates. They just spark controversy no matter what. I'm always up for a good fight, but not another Rex vs Spino. Not for a little while at least.
"Men like me don't start the wars. We just die in them. We've always died in them, and we always will. We don't expect any praise for it, no parades. No one knows our names." ―Alpha-98

DinoFights

MemberCompsognathusAug-25-2013 8:23 PM
What about a new vs debate, like.... Hmmm.... Adult Suchomimus vs something. Idk. It takes me a while to come up with fights.
Announcement Coming Soon Prepare yourselves, DinoFans!

Deltadromeus

MemberCompsognathusAug-25-2013 8:24 PM
I was talking about not a real fight, but just a discussion, and I really back up dinofanatic on the idea that they have an equal chance if winning.

Hi

Rex Fan 684

MemberCompsognathusAug-25-2013 8:26 PM
Hey, it's your choice. DinoFights, I'd suggest Tarbosaurus, but that'd be very close to Rex vs Spino, haha
"Men like me don't start the wars. We just die in them. We've always died in them, and we always will. We don't expect any praise for it, no parades. No one knows our names." ―Alpha-98

Deltadromeus

MemberCompsognathusAug-25-2013 8:31 PM
Tarbo vs horror mouth maybe. It would be really cool.

Hi

Rex Fan 684

MemberCompsognathusAug-25-2013 8:34 PM
It's hard to say with so little evidence for Horror Mouth. Allosaurus vs Suchomimus perhaps
"Men like me don't start the wars. We just die in them. We've always died in them, and we always will. We don't expect any praise for it, no parades. No one knows our names." ―Alpha-98

Deltadromeus

MemberCompsognathusAug-25-2013 9:00 PM
Suchosqurus lived in England, I just found out about it, and it could be Baryonyx.

Hi

Makaveli7

MemberCompsognathusAug-26-2013 11:57 AM
Torvosaurus vs Saurophaganax would be a good debate.
Future Team Raptor member

No longer active

MemberCompsognathusAug-26-2013 3:45 PM
I agree. Both were about 40-43 feet, had devastating bites (Sauro had slice and hatchet chop, Torvo had crush and slice at the same time, both were about the same weight (Torvo probably weighed less than a ton more), had medium length with long claws, powerful legs and lived in the same area... Sauro vs Torvo is a better debate than Giganoto vs Tyranno! Maybe it doesn't have the star power though. What about Dacentrurus vs T. rex?

jurassicparkour

MemberCompsognathusAug-26-2013 6:14 PM
Pod's Travels, anyone?
Add A Reply
Sign In Required
Sign in using your Scified Account to access this feature!
Email
Password
Jurassic World Movies Forums
Jurassic World Rebirth
Jurassic World RebirthDiscuss the new Jurassic World film by Gareth Edwards!
Jurassic World
Jurassic WorldDiscuss Jurassic World Here
Dinosaurs
DinosaursTalk About Dinosaurs
Jurassic World Merchandise
Jurassic World MerchandiseDiscuss Jurassic World merchandise here
Jurassic World Fan Artwork
Jurassic World Fan ArtworkShare your Jurassic World fan art here
Jurassic Park
Jurassic ParkDiscuss Jurassic Park 1 - 3
Jurassic Park Games
Jurassic Park GamesTalk About Jurassic Park Games
New Forum Topics
Hot Forum Topics
Highest Forum Ranks Unlocked
Latest Media
Community Stats
This Jurassic World Movies community is part of the Scified network. Scified hosts a network of online fan-site communities containing 406,120 posts by 48,303 members (6 are online now). The Jurassic World Rebirth Forum is the most recently active forum. The latest Forum topic added was: Jurassic World Rebirth Empire Magazine Scans
VIPWhat are VIP?AdminModeratorSpecial TitleMember

JurassicWorld-Movies.com is a fan website dedicated to all things Jurassic Park and Jurassic World! This website was developed, created and is maintained by Jurassic Park fans and is not officially affiliated with Universal Pictures, Amblin Entertainment or any other respective owners of Jurassic World IP.

© 2025 Scified.com
Sign in
Use your Scified Account to sign in


Log in to view your personalized notifications across Scified!

Transport To Communities
AlienFansite
GodzillaFansite
PredatorFansite
Search Scified
Main Menu
Content
Community
Sci-Fi Movies
Help & Info