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Re-Assessment: Rex vs. Spino

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As many of you know, previously I have made it known that I think, in a Rex vs. Spino fight, the odds are in Rex's favor. I would like to publicly state that I no longer have this mindset, and I believe that Rex and Spino would have a perfectly equal, 50 - 50 chance of beating each other if pitted against each other. Of course, it is impossible that Rex and Spino would have ever come into contact, but if they could have, my new opinion stands. Let me start with an analogy. You've got your club, and you've got your spear. When swung, the club crushes bone on impact, leaving serious, fatal damage. The swing of the club is heavy, forceful, and brutal. However, dodge the club and it takes a moment for the attacker to regain composure to swing the heavy club again. Now take, for example, the spear. The spear is light and swift, and while a puncture from a spear is not bone-crushing, it can certainly be fatal. Because the spear is so light, it can be very-easily wielded, and someone holding a long, sharp spear has a good chance of wounding / killing an opponent. However, the lightness and speed of the spear comes at a cost - they are fragile weapons, and can be easily broken. While the person with a club has brute force and fatal impact on their side, the weight of the club can become a problem. And while the person with the spear has swiftness, speed for running and dodging, and a sharp weapon, the fragility of the spear makes the person vulnerable. As you have probably guessed, the club represents Rex, while the spear represents Spino. After close observation of that highly controversial fight scene in Jurassic Park III, I would like to point out that, believe it or not, Rex and Spino were evenly matched. This was not some impossible feat; Spino took down Rex, end of story. Spino had the swiftness, cunning, and sharp claws and arms to take Rex down. It just so happened that Rex's brute strength and bone-crushing jaws were not enough in this instance. (Watch the scene, and you will notice that the grip Rex has on Spino's neck at the beginning is shallow and higher up along the top of the neck. Spino, on the other hand, might not have had the bite force to break Rex's neck, and the fragility of his spine could have been a hinderance, but he certainly had the combined neck strength and arm force to twist Rex's neck and kill him.) All this to say, I would like to make two conclusions. For one, I believe that in a real fight, because Rex and Spino are so evenly matched, this fight should have gone on MUCH longer. If neither predator could overcome the other, it would eventually be environmental pressures that killed one of them (one dino trips, a landslide occurs, etc.). Second, I believe it was not Spino, but Rex, that was poorly executed in the fight scene. We saw no forceful charge on Rex's part, only a slow stride towards Spino. Like many from Team Rex have pointed out, Rex could very well have charged and butted into an opponent, or at least bit down in a more vulnerable spot, like the flank or underbelly. Thus, I do not believe that Rex's full glory was shown in Jurassic Park III, and I think everyone will agree with me on that. Just voicing my opinion. Feel free to comment!

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What can I say, they are the perfect killing machines.

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Spino's sail would have made it more agile for it to turn while running because of air resistance, so i disagree with your statement Rex Fan, no disreguards.
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I agree. While the sail was small compared to the overall body size, any resistance from the sail would have made Spino more agile in turning.

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in my opinion, VS fights are all up to chance. tiny creatures like parasites will kill anything from an ant to an elephant, and speaking of ants... a big swarm of army ants will strip many live healthy animals down to the bone. there are all sorts of shows and videos of animals acting out of character and attacking and winning fights with a much larger more vicious animal. my female iguana is a vegetarian and my male tegu is a carnivore, my iguana is smaller but i bet she would kick the crap out of my tegu based on behavior i have observed from both of them. exactly why i NEVER let more than one reptile free-roam the house at the same time! but i know who the winner of any reptile fight would be in my house... my python and my boa. those monsters were made for crushing and eating anything that doesnt kill them first. besides from the aquatic dinos i mentioned a LONG time ago that i wanted to see, i also would love to see prehistoric snakes. there is one that is so ridiculously massive, even most snake lovers would probably pee their pants if it came near them.
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So you're basically reaffirming that Rex and Spino both have their unique attack methods, unique features, and so forth that would aid their attacks, but because they are evenly matched, it's all up to chance. I completely agree.

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yes, i totally agree it is all up to chance! especially since every species has had creatures that act way out of character for their kind. also depends on the fighting experience each animal had to endure growing up, if dinos had dominance and social ranks like many animals do. a dominant animal will tear a submissive one to shreds if it wants no matter what species it is. i think there are SO many factors involved there would be no clear cut winner, most animals havent become extinct because of a similar sized animal in its territory (well, except for humans... we like to wipe animals off the planet).
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I wish that T. rex and Spino are still living today. I have seen a Calvin and Hobbes in which Calvin solved the problem of world over population by letting a pack of raptors loose to eat whoever they want. It was an essay of course, but it was still and interesting, and very funny.

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FBR was created for the purpose of showing this, But, its more of a luck draw then a determined accuracy... we will never know for sure, but we know how close we can coem to the real thing... spino has size mass and claws rex has neck jaws and feet They're even odds, But if ive learned anything, youve gotta have an ace up your sleeve to win, theirs advantages to rex, yes, but spino has advantages too, as its size, its giant fore claws... FBR was created off of these facts... evens and odds... (You'll like FBR's ace for fight 4)

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@Deltadromeus -- That is SO funny that you bring that up! I have that Calvin and Hobbes comic book. The raptors come out and eat Susie on the school playground. Makes me laugh every time I read it!! Great solution - let dinosaurs loose to solve over-population. @x_paden_x -- I appreciate FBR for this reason. However, (please don't take any offense to this), I feel that sometimes, not always, the fights to not fully examine [i]all[/i] the useful features of the fighter. However, mostly, you guys have done a great job. I will definitely be reading fight 4! I feel like so many people on these forums always say that, yes, Spino was powerful, but in a fight, it was Rex that would have the advantage, and my point in opening this thread was to emphasize that this is certainly not true.

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@Dinosaur.Fanatic, I have the complete Calvin and Hobbes collection, and there is on many occasions where a T. rex runs through a city and eats people. @x_Paden_x, we don't know for sure if T. rex had a huge bit force, and I think that Spino had a strong bite force too, like modern Crocodiles. My reason to back this up is Crocs have wider, shorter jaws, like Spino, not longer, thinner jaws, like an allogator. And plus, Spino was huge, a saltwater Crocodile is huge, I think they Spino would have a nasty bite force, but that's just me.

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Alligators have a wider, shorter skull. Not Crocs. [img]http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/alligator-sunning.jpg[/img] Gator [img]https://www.defenders.org/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/american-crocodile-tomas-castelazo-wc.jpg[/img] Croc Alligators have a stronger bite force on the average than Crocodiles. [img]http://www.dailywhat.org.uk/media/108435/t%20rex%20skull.jpg[/img] Rex Skull [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Spinosaurus_skull.jpg[/img] Spino Skull Do you see what I'm getting at?
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@Deltadromeus -- That's cool! I have almost all the books. I always enjoy the strips where Calvin imagines himself as a dinosaur rampaging across town, as well as the Spaceman Spiff adventures on alien planets. @Rex Fan -- While Spino's bite force might not have been as forceful as Rex's, I hope I've made my point that Spino has plenty of other advantages, and is equally matched against Rex.

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Rex Fan, True, say T. rex is an American Alligator, and say Spino is a Nile crocodile. I read that the larger crocodiles have a larger bite force, and the 11.5 American alligator is smaller than the 14 foot Nile crocodile, and has a lower bite strength. Now T. rex is not an alligator or even has some features, but Spino is like a crocodile, and the saltwater crocodile has the largest bite force recorded. Only beaten by T. rex.

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I get what you mean. I just thought I should point out the Gator, Croc thing. And yes, I'm sure Spino had a decent bite too. Maybe in the 2 tons range. T-rex just has the stronger one.
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I'm thinking more 3-4 tons.

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Paden, why didnt you state that Spinosaurus also could use its feet ? Im really sure that it could, not trying to be a dick or anything, but if you want to state your opinion, just say " in my opinion" or " I think", just so it wont cause contraversy with anybody. So, like i said, not trying to be mean, just make what your trying to say in a way that wont cause contraversy.
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You can believe that. That's ok. In a nutshell, Spino is the slasher and Rex is the crusher. Both are effective predators in their respective environments and should they ever meet, the battle would be both titanic and evenly-matched. [img]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090712205506/jurassicpark/images/0/06/JP3-DeadT-Rex.jpg[/img] Long live the Pharaoh [img]http://cache.desktopnexus.com/thumbnails/1268389-bigthumbnail.jpg[/img] And all hail the king!
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Reverse that, all hail the pharaoh, and long live the king. And you will all die because the raptors will sneak up on you and eat you.

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What is with you and raptors! haha
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@Spinosaurus Rex -- Don't take this the wrong way, but a point can be expressed without the language. Let's keep it clean. I agree with you, I think the crew of FBR should take ALL the strengths of Spino (and Rex) into consideration. The feet are certainly one of them; if Rex can use his feet, why can't Spino?

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