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Spinosaurs in general were moderatly built theropods.

However, an animal with an axial length longer then the other terrestrial large carnivores, it definetly wasn't that light.

we actually have more of spinosaurus then you think;

BSP 1912 VIII 19 - the holotype consisting of right and left dentaries  long; a straight piece of the left maxilla that was described but not drawn; 20 teeth; 2 cervical(back) vertebrae; 7 dorsal (trunk) vertebrae; 3 sacral vertebrae; 1 caudal vertebra; 4 thoracic ribs; and nine neural spines, the largest measuring  1.65 meters (5.4 ft) in length.

NMC 50791, - mid-cervical vertebra which is 19.5 centimeters (7.7 in)

MNHN SAM 124 - partial premaxillae, partial maxillae,vomers , and a dentary fragment). no length was stated.

UCPC-2 i - Consists mainly of two narrow connected nasals with a "fluted crest" from the region between the eyes. The specimen, which is 18.0 centimetres (7.09 in) long.

MSNM V4047 - premaxillae, partial maxillae, and partial nasals) 98.8 centimetres (38.9 in) long from the Kem Kem Beds.

The problems with estimating these guys is we have very few individuals, out of the millions that once stalked our little blue planet. We don't know if the ones we have found are just freakishly large, or small. Though we do have a better concept of this with Tyrannosaurus, the 'average' size is still very much unknown.

Allosaurus Fragilis, of which we have nearly 40 individuals...now there's a species we can do that with. 7.5 meters and 2 tons is the average for this species, though we still can never be 100% sure on this. Nothing is concrete in paleontology, and never will be. That's what keeps this interesting little field alive though

Huh, i guess suchomimus was a bit under weight? But then agian what was spinos actuall lenght and height, not much to go on, except for the lower jaw and some vertibre if I do rember correctly. :( But yea 15 to 16 is probably most acurate! 

anywhere from 4-6 tons is too low IMO. 

An 11 meter suchomimus weighed 3 tons, therefore a 15/16 meter animal would weigh (at the very least) 7 tons

Love the idea for this fight, but I do agree with Mr Happy's first 2 points.  It comes with editing, and I highly recommend it for anyone who is writing.  That is why it took 6 months for me to finish The Tyrant's Roar.

Btw, Tytus would definitely approve of your outcome.  Hades and Achilles...not so much :P

Nice fight, I was rooting for Rex. 

Here's a few tips:

1. Paragraphs are nice. They make it look better and easier to read.

2. Spelling and grammar. Once again, makes it look better and easier to read.

3. Try to avoid involving Rex in a fight. At this point, I guess everyone is tired of seeing Rex win (I'm not, but the select few who are make it very obvious). 

I cannot see the picture as well. BUT, I went to ComingSoon.net and saw the original. 

This T-REX is not from Jurassic World. It is one of three heads made for the origianal Jurassic Park in the early 90's. The booth restors old props and re-sells them. I talked with them for a while - they also had two Muppet animatronic puppets on display, one of Charlie Chaplain's canes, and much more movie memorabilia.  

Thanks guys.

Nice fight, dissopointed to see Giga lose, had a fealing rex would win.

Hiphopanaomus (whew, hope i spelled it right :p) I agree with those estimates entiraley also Mr.Happys! After a long time frin JP3 spino is finnaly not getting to exagretaed in size!

Nice chapter, looking forward to the next, the earth quake whas a good plot device

well Jurassic Park itself can't be realistic. Don't look deeper into details. At least they added "feathers" to the Velociraptors... They were as realistic as the could.

Thanks!

Here are my personal estimations for spino and rex.

Rex average 40-42 feet long 8-9 tons

spino average 49-52 feet long 5.5-6 tons

Rex max 43-46 feet long 9-10.5 tons

Spino max 53-55 feet long 7-8 tons

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Trexis supposed heavier built than Giganotosaurus otherwise those are pretty good estimates, except that Rex is actually 12.2 m and Spino is 17 m. Spino would probably be 7-10 tons and 13 tons max because if  it was an occasional swimmer it wouldnt be too heavy.

WELCOME to the JW forums. Im more active on the Godzilla movie forums but I still cone here.

And thanks for the replies! This form is so much less bias them animal vs animal or Carnivora!

Okay ill tread carefully! And I guess spinos is like 4 to 7 ton, I wonder if cau was right about the spino being 4 to 7 tons and like 14m

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Hm. I didn't know this! Thanks for sharing!

I can agree with this. Also, welcome to the forums!

(And @Silver_Falcon, it would be the third war)

Good post. Very informative. Keep up the good work.

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Eh, don't really care much for either of these dinos. I'd say my favourite would probably be spino just because we know so little about it.

Anyway, welcome to the forumns, and be careful with rex vs. spino, as we do not wish to start Jurassic World War (insert current number here)

Nice chapter, looking forward to the next one as usual. I wonder how LongJaw will come into play, friend or foe. 

Got the link, it's one of the paragraphs between the middle and end.

Click here

It's a Spino discussion, so I figure you'll read the whole thing anyway. 

There was a post by Carnosaur a while back about Tyrannosaurs. He said something about Rex having some bone that was only a few cm longer than the same bone Daspletosaurus or Gorgosaurus, but it was much larger than both, give me a few minutes and I'll post a link. 

Maybe I don't give Spino enough credit, I dont know. Is it crazy or irrational to even consider that the individual bombed in WWII was a freakishly large individual? I mean, the thing was found in the Sahara desert. Deserts aren't easy on anything. The average sized bones were probably destroyed by erosion, while only a few bones were found from one individual. 

@Mr.Happy9097

I'm not a fanboy. I just give credit where it's due and base my post on statements that are highlighted. But just from your posts I have read, you really do discredit Spino the most and need to research on it. 

Is this so? Please elaborate and i'll give you responses as to why. Scaling up is not that far from the original size. It has happen how many times? If this has been proven wrong, then it would not have been mentioned. 

In this case, Spino is on a different league. 

More misleading knowledge about Rex/Spino. And the amount of Rex fanboys are not helping. Anyways lets tweak this a bit shall we?

 Tyrannosaurus Rex:

 13m long

 Weight 7-9 tons

 Height 20ft

 Advantages: Bigger bite force, sense of smell, denser bones,

Disadvantages: Tiny arms, slow,

  Rex could bulldoze and tackle. Which makes it useful in fights with it's dense bones and hard skull. Also Rex just needs to get a good bite in and it could seriously injure/kill anything.  

  Spinosaurus:

 17-18m long

 Weight 11-13 tons (Planet dinosaur had it on average 12 tons)  Height 23ft (without muscular sail)

 Advantages: 6ft long robust arms equipped with 12-15 inch claws, 2-3 ton bite force which is enough for a kill if grabbed, Spino was faster due to it's large legs and where it's attached,

  Disadvantages: Not a bigger bite force than Rex.

 AND to add, this whole "sail" theory on Spinosaurus is debunked. Why? The space between the spines were too small to effectively span skin in between. The Spines were most likely a muscular spine similar to Acrocanthosaurus. Which goes to ADD extra strengh.

  Now lets do the math. The Spines are a VERY large muscle attachment area and so it is greatly boost. Another thing, Rex can lift half a ton with its tiny arms and Acrocanthosaurus has arms 4X that are stronger than Rex's. Now equip this with Spinosaurus 6ft long robust arms and you got a deadly weapon that is fatal. We are talking about a force with well over 9 tons. Adding it with its mass/weight making the swing a fatal blow.  

 Just stating how robust/deadly Spino truly was. Quite a few Rex fans seem to discredit it and lack imformation about the creature.

What I'm getting out of this is that since we have different thoughts than you, we're fanboys. Going off that logic, you're a Spino fanboy. 

That said, we have little proof that Spino even existed, so we can't say much about the damn thing. Sure, we can scale up from relatives, but that can be a bad idea. 

That's about it. Perhaps a little lighter for Spino on the high end, but that's about the size.

Welcome to the forums, I'm Mr.Happy9097, one of the JW forum moderators. If you need help with anything at all, just ask anyone here. 

Hmm, I don't think thats a raptor, but it could be ofcourse.

Some very misleading information here. It the Rex fanboy's aren't helping out but imbracing it making this a joke. Give credit where it is due:

Spinosaurus:

1. Yes Rex has the bigger bite force but this does NOT mean that Spino is a pushover. It was pretty darn sturdy and has a bite force of 3 tons on average. Which is enough to kill Rex is grabbed by the neck. The fish it preyed upon were half as long as Spinosaurus and weight 1.5 tons. Let's not forget that prehistoric fish had MUCH harder scales back then. Look at todays aligator gar for proof. 

2. Dinosaurs did use their claws as well as todays animals. Spinosaurus USED it's claws for preys and self defense. Rex can lift 1.5 tons with its arms. Acrocanthosaurus had arms 4x more powerful than Rex's. Now imagine this on Spinosaurus. One swing is like a 9 ton swing. Which is overkill. 

3. 17-18m long and weight 11-13 tons on average. Rex was 13m long and weight 9 tons. 

Spinosaurus wins 9/10. With Rex having a bigger bite force. Spino is just more well rounded with more weapons in it's arsenal. Please read everything Rex fanboy's before you attack me. 

I disagree. Many scientists/paleontologists have made Spino on average 17m long. 18-20m is not really out of it's base. 

Spino's weight on average was 11-13 tons

PS: The whole "sail" theory is debunked and it still suprises me how still people bring it up. The Spine couldn't have been a skin sail since the space between the spines were too small to effectively span skin between. A hump is impossible since it would be too heavy. The spines most LIKELY supported a muscular sail like Acrocanthosaurus, which would make it more stronger. Meaning more weight/power.

For years this has been debated and it all started in 2001. Fast forward 13 years later and it's still going on. At least with the help of time we got more imformation on these two monsters. I'm seeing a lot of baised Rex fanboy's which is a shame. But i'll give credit where it's due. In the end we still can only assume. For this post i'll put the final nail in this coffin:

Tyrannosaurus Rex Advantages:

13M long

Weight 7-9 tons

Height 20ft

1. Way bigger bite force (estimated to be around 6-9 tons)

2. Dense bones/skull meaning can use it's head to charge

3. Bigger brain. May have used tactics to take down it's prey

Spinosaurus Advantages:

17-18m long

Weight 11-13 tons

Height 20-24 ft (without spine)

1. 6ft long robust arms equipped with 13-15 inch claws

2. 2-3 ton bite force (though no where near as big as Rex's it's still a force that can kill.

3. It can easily use it's weight as an offense to muscle it's way over. Both Rex and Spino had binocular vision and speed so it's an advantage

In the end, I'd say Spino has a 70% chance of winning. Rex needs to get close to Spino to attack it. But nothing is getting near Spino with those arms.

Winner: Spinosaurus

A decent list for these Theropods. Although you may want to check up on some of these statements. 

For example for the Longest, Largest Skull and largest Theropod would go to Spinosaurus. 

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i noticed some of your estimates have changed in the short time i've been on this site

Glad you guys thought it was entertaining.

 Actually, i already covered Spino...click the link below! i covered Del Sasso and Monsters resurrected in the post :)

The size of Spinosaurus Aegyptiacus

As far as anky posing a serious threat to rex, i do not believe so no. It's just too small, the tail disproportionately short for it to be very manueverable.

Here's a scale with a Tyrannosaurus(skull length 1.5 meters)

Wow very cool! Do you still think it can pose a treat to the King? Or is it now something that would win less agianst the rex? Are you planning one of the grossly over estimates of del sasso and his spino, another Dino exagurate by hollywood and monsters ressurected :p

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Interesting I didn't know that