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it can be done, but basing off of a drawing done almost 150 years ago? i mean here's what we get:

n his paper Carpenter* says he simply scaled up Diplodocus c.'s vertebra to 2.7 meters. The only problem is that he used the dimensions from Seismosaurus for diplodocus's vert, but said the length of Diplodocus was only 26.25 meters

This small mistake of recording diplodocus's vert as 1.22 meters instead of .946 meters has lead to the widespread belief that Amphicoelias was 60 meters long and 120 tons in weight. In reality using carpenter's method with the correct numbers we get, 2.7/.946=2.864. 2.854x26.25 meters=75 meters long. Also 2.856^3=23.2. 23.2x12 tons=278 tons. 

off of this vertabrate, which we don't even know if it was the 10th,9th, or even 12th dorsal! That could change some estimates pretty drastically..

I agree. Not only do we actually have those fossils, but we have other T.rex specimens to go off of. There aren't any actual Spinosaurus skeletons to go off of for the fragments that pop up.

Valid point again.

I'm just saying, That the protocol for Documenting SPecimins hasn't changed much in the past 70 years. 

I'd imagine most of todays Estimates are based off of the Records from the one that was destroyed.

But, You can base some things off Vertebrae, It's difficult, But can be done. 

Paden, i knew this already haha i use it in some of my "the size of..." posts.

Don't you think it's weird though that they'll jump the gun estimating off of a vertabrate - that's not even around anymore, only in drawings! - to estimate an animal, and "oh god look...it's huge!" But it's no mans land doing this with Mor 008? C. Rex? F. Rex? The UCMP individual? Just makes me shake my head..

That's better. Well done Al.

Thanks AL!

I could not read it because the URL Lead to no where. 

There's been tons of teeth and a few fragments, but nothing more than that has come to light since the type specimen was destroyed.

Valid points indeed.

I'd imagine your a tad curious how they estimated size and such, With just those Few bones. 

If I'm correct, They already do this Technique with Anthropology, (Study of Man) In which, By finding a single bone they can size and tell you a great bit about the creature. 

I'd imagine they'd be able to do this with the bits of Spine they've currently got.

PLUS

There is bound to be surviving records from WW2 on the Bombed Spinosaurus there. 

I also find it a bit hard to beleive that we've only found one in about 100 years... I think thats a bit of a lie.

There's most likely something like 20 we currently have in museums, But they are currently be processed and are in Casts in storeage. 

Glad everyone that's posted so far agrees with me. I actually had fun putting this together.

That is interesting indeed Carno. 

Fair point.

here's the kicker: you can estimate a sauropod off of a vertebrate, that's vaguely reminiscient of diplodocus, but you can't estimate off of the 'fragmentary giant' tyrannosaurs because there's not enough? come on..no logic in that..

Remember Paden, it's only a concept piece.

It's not terribly impressive.

I mean, I could mistake that for a basic drawing of Rex if I wanted to. 

It just...

Doesn't have that "Leave the lights on" Look to it.

Not terribly Impressed with it, Still a good work of art. 

Catzilla, he thinks Amphicoelias is 35 meters, not Spinosaurus(I think and seriously hope).

They must.

35M, thats to much thats more than half the size of the originall godzilla that whas 54M

His were probably around there i just haven't really looked lately...Carnivora is pretty cool actually, and its always fun debating with some of their people

seeing how he claims to be a paleontological student he should know showing a bias towards the animals you study is pretty immensly frowned upon. His art is pretty cool though

Huh thats kinda cool! But I think that Nat geo think the Tryranosaurus is about 4tons or something like that.

Wow, talk about fanboy.

35 meters is only 114 feet.

Anyways, I was reading some of what Fragilimus335 wrote on Carnivora. Wow, talk about a fanboy. He said 19 meters for Spinosaurus. A 62 foot Spinosaurus? I doubt that.

Damn! Carnivoria is so bais towards the spino its really annoying! Spinointhewoods the fragilimus guys and so many more dern sure annoying.

I've heard estimates of a 60 metre and 200 ton Amphicoelias, so 35 metres isn't crazy but, 1570 tons, is impossible IMO.

175* yeah no, 1570.. that's a bit past over kill

35 meters isn't crazy for Amphicoelias but 1570 tons, well, uh, yeah.

i laughed harder then i should have at this.

On the topic of Spinosaurus being oversized by fanboys, here are two comparisons.

That's actually an Allosaurus Fragilis fully grown adult mr. Happy XD

Does it suprise you guys this scale was made by a Spinosaurus fanboy not too long ago? Fragilimus335 over on deviantart and carnivora made this. Severely overestimates Spino and Amiphicoelias(who he believes was in excess of 35 meters, 170 tons) It's quite sad actually..

Concerning the new kid, i don't think he will be coming back..but if he does..well it'll be like his last posts

Defiantly true, I'm expecting the new spino fanboy, to have something crazy and unrealistic to say....  

Thats the truth dou!

Thanks guys, and CZ, that doesn't matter. 

Just curious. It was kinda random.

Here's a pic of the "skeleton"

Yusta  a question rexfan, those are his favorite(you can tell by his name and his pics)

i like throwin in those twists and turns ;) glad you guys liked it

You can't be more rigth :), lets hope the fanboys don't get mad

"At over 50 feet long, 20 feet high and weighing in at 6 tons, Spinosaurus is the largest predatory dinosaur to ever roam the Earth"

Did we just get confirmation this thing wasn't the largest theropod? I think alot of us have been saying that for a while..

You know me, I agree with what's said.

Thanks MrHappy

Nice chapter, looking forward to the last two.

Nice fight was rooting for Allo.

Rooting for Utah, expecting Hippo next time around. 

Why does that matter Catzilla? Just curious.

Anyways, thanks Hipho