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Please read: The first part said "everyone's so focused on T. rex and Spino that they are forgetting the true villain, the raptors. T. rex a d Spino had their kills in their respective movies, but the raptors were complete slaughterers. "

I see Metri being a secondary antagonist at best. It just, doesn't have the size or power to be number one given Rex or Spino returns (more likely Rex due to return to Nublar). With the return to Nublar, I think there is a chance of seeing Metri, even if it is a brief cameo.

Spino is overrated and underrated. It's fighting ability is underrated. It could slash it's opponents major arteries if it got a good slash in. It could also hold it's enemy in place a slashed it's throat. The fight in JP3 was BS, but not because Spino won, but because of how it won and what happened in the fight. In real-life, a Rex that size probably would have crushed Spino's neck when it got hold, but maybe inexperience played a role in it's defeat. The Spino could not have just snapped Rex's neck the way it did. What should have happened was Spino waited for Rex to charge, jump out of the way, and slash it's throat. The Spino didn't even use it's arms in the fight until the end. Spino is overrated in the weight department. I don't care how long it got, it is not going to even hit the 20 ton mark, let alone 23 tons. I see it getting to 10-12 tons.

Forgot that the T-Rex/Spino debates are fun when no one gets mad and they just ask a simple question about it. An example of this would be with me and S-Rex in my most recent discussion. *I call him S-Rex, his username is actually Spinosaurus Rex.

You do have a good point. Things have gotten better with some of the extremists in the past week or so though. Velociraptor vs T-Rex/Spino would be interesting. If it was the over-size JP Velos, it would probably take 5 or more to win. If it was real life sized Velos, probably 10 at least (just making a guess because as you said, we can't accurately compare any dinosaur to another).

I have a comment to sort of turn this discussion in a different direction, based on a sub-discussion from another thread: I've always had this theory that Spino was not truely that attuned for swimming as depicting in Jurassic Park III. I thought that that fight scene was more fictional than scientific. But if you look at the skeleton and build, the clawed limbs would not be built for paddling through deep water. There's also the formation of the limbs in which the legs are longer than the arms, making it difficult for swimming (except in very deep water) unless the back legs were sprawled out behind. Also, while Spino's eyesight was good, I can't imagine it being able to see well underwater. To imagine Spino gliding through the water hunting fish is to me like imagining an ostrich taking flight. I do think Spino would have hunted fish, but either standing in or beside the river, and at most wading into it, but not actually swimming underwater. (Keep in mind I'm on team Spino, not by any stretch trying to undermine my favorite dinosaur or anything). Thoughts?

Well put. I would agree with you, in that there are a few extremes on each team who get overly angry and upset when their dinosaur is insulted, and that does need to stop. Here's where I think you're wrong: The division of the Jurassic Park fanbase in regards to Spino and Rex is totally OK. It's fun to juggle around the statistics and root the dinos against each other. But I agree with you that this sort of argumentation should not spread to outside that individual competition. And of course the cussing and namecalling needs to stop. Like you, I've read threads in forums where I'm just shaking my head wondering "is this what Jurassic Park debates have come to?" So I definitely think there needs to be change, but I don't think throwing around stats and rooting Spino and Rex against each other in itself should be put to a stop. I also think that the mature members of this forum should be watching out for the stuff you're talking about and speak out when it comes up (which @Airman Rex has done by opening this thread) to let people know when they've crossed a line.

Hmm... I'm trying to think of another croc but I can't. Good list.

Velociraptor vs Rex or Spino? Could be cool but we'd never know for sure. All we can do is guess and estimate and argue, but no matter what, there will never be peace. Jurassic Park is built on Spinosaurus and T-Rex with Velociraptor as support. It is only natural to compare the two biggest and baddest dinosaurs from the franchise, even though it gets annoying.

I don't know about you guys, but I see very striking similarities in those two skulls. I stand fairly partial on this debate however and this reason can be described in one word Skeleton. Without a good Nanotyrannus skeleton, we have little to know evidence that it was different or the same to a juvenile T. Rex. I won't have much of a say until some good irrefutible remains are found, and reoccur

Rex Fan, not to criticize, but not all Tyrannosauruss, plural for Tyrannosaurus, would reach the largest recorded length, the average was probobly a little under fourty feet, but I might be wrong.

Well said, but it is kinda fun to share your opinion and fight for it. Spino would win, trex would win, raptor would win, we don't know which. And if T. rex happened to meet a Spino, then a fight might ensu, but we truly know so little about these guys, that we can't predict an accurate outcome. And please tell me one thing that we know about these any dinosaur , it have to be something that we truly know, not gust have a good guess. An I'd say it could go either way. But the fight has just become something that unites, and differs us, and it is good to have this separation.

That's true. Any dinosaur is going to walk a lot. T-Rex and other large predators would probably follow a herd of dinosaurs around and therefore walk more than Spino, which likely would have just stayed near the same lake or river until it needed to find a newer, better fishing ground. It would walk more to find carrion and hunting small dinosaurs (not saying it can't take a larger dinosaur).

This makes a LOT of sense

im sure Spino probably walked a lot too, probably more than swimming

I believe NanoT was it's own species too. However, I will say, I never did notice the difference in the lower jaw. Minor detail, but interesting. Like you said, based on the skull and orientation of the brain, the head of NanoT was held kind of downward while Tyrannosaurus was pretty straight on. Their teeth were also different shapes. NanoT had the standard steak-knife teeth of most predatory dinosaurs. T-rex on the other hand had teeth that were more like rail-road spikes. Just another detail that supports the idea that Nanotyrannus was it's own species.

Sorry, I meant to have it say "Nanotyrannus has long been disscused about wheat her it was its own species, of a juvinile tyrannosaur. I think it is its own species, and hears why." Then the "Ht" was supposed to be Nt which I use on my iPad to abbreviate Nanotyrannus. Ps. If you look at the front of the bottom of the jaw, you will see a difference between the jaw of Nanotyrannus and "Jane" the juvenile T. rex.

The NanoT debate makes more sense. That's a whole other discussion but in a nutshell, I think NanoT was it's own species. But like I said, that's a different subject. They used to think that, because the age of Jane, a NanoT/Juvenile Rex, and her size fell right on the growth rate of Tyrannosaurus, NanoT must be a juvenile rex. But with this new info about rex growing faster than previously thought, it does not line up as well.

Sorry! Nonotyrannus debate

I think any carnivore that weighs over 8 tons would sustain injury if it fell no matter what. When you have that much weight falling, I don't care how big your arms are, it's gonna hurt.

Yutyrannus debate? I'm sorry, but I did not know there was a debate about Yutyrannus. Is it about it's growth or something?

They are related to the archosaurs. Crocodilians and dinosaurs are the only living archosaurs(dinosaurs=birds). But the archosaurs that may have given rise to the dinosaurs were too old and distant to have any lasting effects on them. That includes the ceratosaurs and abelisaurs.

Fair enough, futurepaleontologist. Yes, in terms of dominance and times, mosasaurines and tylosaurines were the most dominant predators in their environment. They've dominated the seas during more than 15 millions years and wiped out their primary rivals, the large sharks such as Ginsu. Megalodon was probably second as the most dominant predatory animal ever as species. This beast ruled all the seas during almost three geological eras... Makaveli, the monster of Aramberri has been estimated recentl by Colin McHenry at 12 m and 15 tonnes. It was not a juvenile but an individual retaining juvenil features, called paedomorphy. This has been also observed in others specimens of adults pliosaurs. So it wasn't a juvenile but a very large pliosaur. Not the largest, it seems that the largest pliosaur known to date is Pliosaurus macromerus, the largest specimen (Cumnor Monster) being estimated by Mchenry at 12,7 m and almost 20 tonnes. The predator X upper estimate is not valid anymore. The beast was 10-12 m as P. funkei. Those who are interested in big reading, here is the link toward McHenry paper. This is a 600 pages thesis about primarily Kronosaurus (10,5 m, 11 tonnes but also about others pliosaurs. http://nova.newcastle.edu.au/vital/access/manager/Repository/uon:12164;jsessionid=8BB21C73CEFA70F25A378EF87B6E50AD?exact=subject%3A%22palaeoecology%22

your welcome Rex Fan, im glad you think that way.

See, now that image is what I use to refer people to in the Yutyrannus debate. Look at the change in the Tyrannosaur skull over years of ageing. Huge change

But what if Herrerasaurus has a distant archosaur relative? IDK I just thought the Archosaurs went somewhere else than crocodiles

T-Rex would have trouble getting up if it fell because of it's small arms but I don't think it would die from it unless another T-Rex or carnivore was involved. Other than that, it's a reasonable comparison between the two.

Of course, you gotta take into account it's ability to hunt and how strong it was as well.

FACT DUDE No offense, but I personally believe Rex was the dominant Fighter and killer between the two, but that is my opinion, and I totally respect what you say (now that you're actually paying attention to the opinion of others).

"Dinosaur eats man, and woman inherits the Earth"- Ellie Sattler

I personally don't see Spino getting past 11 tons. I could see Rex getting to 8 tons easily, 9 tons if it lived really long, and 10 tons is a bit far fetched in my opinion.

Isn't it obvious? the blue represents that there will be aquatic dinosaurs and the skeleton means the return of the King (T-Rex) as the main super predator of the film. I'm sure they'll add the 4 or some other title next to it later. I really doubt it's a reboot. (At least I hope it isn't)

Sorry, that pic did not turn out how I hoped it would. The different species go in the same order as my list. The last one, green, is a modern day saltwater crocodile. The length is a little hard to see, it says 10 meters at the top.

Hey, that's fine. We all have different opinions and estimations. Glad you said it the way you did. Very respectful, even though you don't full agree. Thanks Spino Rex.

im gonna have to disagree with the weight bit, i think spinosaurus could have easily been 10 - 12 tons, if not more.

Did anyone ever taken into account the Spinosaurus may be affected by drag while running? I mean a sail is essential the same as a drag fin on the back of a car only triple the size.

Of course it would tear flesh. But they also broke bone. That was what they were mainly used for. They could pierce through flesh, they could shatter bone, and they were anchored by extremely deep roots.

Thanks, glad you found it interesting.

Interesting info Rex Fan, it defintley does tie in to T-Rex being bigger than originally though, I always thought of it as being bigger anyway. Some of these T-Rex skeletons I've seen at museums seem relatively small, Sue of course is the biggest one which is how I see a full grown T-Rex as.

I promise you that if those teeth were to come in contact with flesh, it would definitely tear that flesh.