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Carcharodontosaurus vs Tyrannosaurus

(A collaboration between Ankybeatsall2468 and Lord Vader)

Carcharodontosaurus saharicus

Length: 43 feet

Weight: 8.5 tons

Height (at the shoulder): 9 feet

Tyrannosaurus rex

Length: 40 feet

Height: 8 feet

Weight: 8 tons

 

FIGHT!

We are Instinct.

Anger. Mistrust. Joy. Arrogance. Innocence. Patience. Hunger. There was no love, not yet, but there was Affection.

 I am Instinct (Instinct is the name of the group and the group’s leader). I will lead you through Life. Out of the Shell, into the outside world.

No, I will! I will! Traitor! I must lead him! He needs food! Hearing the other voices bicker made Innocence turn up the corners of Hal’s mouth in a tiny smile.

 

Hisss… The sound made her blood run cold. The mother Carcharodontosaurus turned her head two inches before the stalking Tyrannosaurus clamped his massive jaws on the back of her neck. She struggled and thrashed, but there was no escape.

A pained bellow sounded on the other side of the clearing. Hal’s father had arrived.

But he only choked and sputtered. “You- you-” The Tyrannosaurus turned toward him, still dragging the female.

“YOU MONSTER! BEAST! YOU CALL YOURSELF A DINOSAUR!”

The tyrant growled evilly. “Careful with your words, lest you value your life so little,” he warned.

Flee, urged Fear. Fight! Distract! Your mother planned this to scare you! One voice rang out above the others. RUN! Shrieked Fear. Run, agreed Instinct. Hal ran. He ran for his life, into the forest where far more dangers than a mere Tyrannosaurus rex awaited him. He ran, ignoring his siblings behind him. Running as the sound of his mother’s death throes faded into the night. His father, immobilized by anguish and sorrow, also fell victim to the twelve-inch teeth. Hal ran fast as his legs could carry him, and even faster still… away from home.

At first, only two months old, Hal starved. Fear had him cornered for two days, starving in terror. Only by baiting himself with vengeance did he learn to survive in the savage wild. Soon Fear gave way to Passion- the furious side of Passion, the side housing retaliation and righteous wrath. But soon that gave way, and finally, the last sane part of Hal’s mind was claimed by Anger.

He went mad.

It was three years already, and the whole scene remained in his mind clear as day, which was ironic because Hal’s days were never clear. Everything was always blurred by Anger, spurning him to tear down the world. Sometimes when he played or got intimate with his to-be mate, the memory would be muffled but still present as a vague sensation like a lump in his throat. But those times never really lasted, and afterward it was back to the pain. He was now almost full-grown, and he and his to-be mate were almost ready. But nothing felt real. All the deeper feelings; love, wanting, even pain; were obscured by one thing: hatred. Hatred of the deepest kind for the bull T. rex who murdered his parents. 3 years ago, that was, and he could hardly remember anything but the final scene in his parents’ death when he had fled with his sibs into the underbrush, away from home forever. Why? He thought desperately. But there was no answer. His instincts had deserted him. He had driven them away.

6 months later…

Flames licked the sky. A volcano rumbled angrily in the distance, everyone below at its non-existent mercy. Chaos was everywhere. There was a mighty crackle as a lava ball landed in the water, sending up clouds of boiling steam. Scorching pillars of fire, the husks of once-majestic trees, guarded the flames from the oncoming tide, which hissed weakly and evaporated upon reaching the sand. Fire blazed on the horizon, scarring the ground and chasing the entire population of Gallimimuses toward the forest.

“Don’t worry, we’re not in danger yet,” cautioned Hal, barely aware of his mate leaning into him. Something deep within his mind stirred. This would be a momentous night, for the island and his family- he could feel it in his bones.

CRUNCH! 12-inch teeth drove deep into his shoulder. Pain shot through his back. Hal let out an ear-splitting shriek. He whipped around and bit his attacker. Then he stopped cold.

No. It couldn’t be. But it was. The same cold, evil eyes glittering with malice. Hal’s mind stormed for an explanation. Old age must have claimed the original killer right now. (Or at least the one who killed his parents; who knows how far back this kill streak might have gone.) Then this had to be… his son.

I’m going to die, just like my mother and father, he thought. History repeats itself. History is cruel.

The husk that once was a happy two-week old dinosaur had been saving up for this moment for three and a half years.

3 and a half years of pent-up rage erupted in two minutes.

Ignoring the pain, Hal ripped free of the deadlock and rammed the tyrant in the chest. Off to the side he caught sight of his mate rising, preparing to join the fight. “No!” he yelled. “You stay there!” He couldn’t let anything happen to her, after what happened to his parents. She was the only one who loved him, who understood him, and knew how he felt (after her own father was slaughtered when she was half a year old). If he survived but she died, he wouldn’t be able to live with the guilt. If he lived at all, past this battle. Hal refocused on the battle. A vicious slash right below the belly, before grabbing the wounded T. rex and slamming him into a tree, had the tyrant screaming in pain and fury. Not to be outdone, the tyrannosaur lashed out at Hal’s foot as it came up for a kick. Off balance, Hal was defenceless as his 8-ton bulk crashed to the ground. Luckily he fell right on the currently unoccupied nest his mate had built, but the impact still jarred him and for a moment his vision flashed.

The Tyrannosaurus loomed over Hal, throbbing all over. Lava sprayed into the sky behind him, torching the southern end of the forest.

Suddenly the sky’s floodgates opened up, dousing the fires below. The volcano hissed in disappointment and went quiet, plunging the world into darkness. Hal’s eyes flicked up to the true giants around him, the redwoods, illuminated by flickers of lightning. They stood tall and strong, despite the destruction raging around them. He had never paid them much attention, just numb, apathic things that got in his way too much. But now, towering over the tyrant’s triumphant figure, they somehow gave him the strength to go on.

Without the flicking glow of embers to light up the ground, the tyrant had lost his edge. He stumbled around blindly, trying to keep the Carcharodontosaurus pinned. Hal lashed out with his foot…

Right into the crotch of the Tyrannosaurus rex. “Ooooohh,” groaned the tyrannosaur as he toppled like a felled tree (which was the first time Hal had heard him speak. It was several tones too low, like what a talking rock might sound like), moaning about playing dirty. “Dirty play is traumatizing a two-week-old to near brain-death by murdering their parents,” Hal replied as a cliché flash of lightning conveniently lit up the sky just long enough for Hal to execute his namesake, a halberd-like butt-and-(jaw)slam. The malice in the tyrant’s eyes faded with the light as the murderous creature finally exhaled his last breath.

AND THE WINNER IS……………………. CARCHARODONTOSAURUS!!!!!!!!!

A family to protect and avenge, maybe slightly slenderer build and not just a bit of luck tipped the scales in favor of the shark-toothed lizard.

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No, scratch that. It's straight-up stupid.

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Every time I write a fight, or anyone else writes a fight, with a tyrannosaur that doesn't win, people are like...

Wow, very nice. Different from the other fights on the forum. I like the story or writing or whatever...

BUT it's stupid because t rex didn't win. you should have made it bigger or stronger or whatever.

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I know this is me ranting to myself, but I'm bored of people making t rex win ALL THE TIME. I mean, I won't stop you from choosing the winner for your battles, but don't whine to me when I don't choose who you wanted to win. Every time I see a t rex win against EVERYTHING just 'cuz its famous I try to make myself feel better by writing a story where t rex loses. Then I get people who complain because they like t rex and they think its the most badass dino in the world so I should make it win every time. Well, I don't complain about who wins on your fights (and believe me, I have a f*ckload of complaints) so don't complain about mine.

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In my most recent fights I've always ended every topic with: "report card feedback is always welcome, microphone feedback (that screech you get when you're kind of too far from the mic) can stay in your head" or something like that. I guess this is what happens when I forget.

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The reason T.rex always wins is cause it is the strongest, smartest, and most heavily evolved of all the dinosaurs..Lol..No other land predator can legitimately match it. IT HAD A BITE-FORCE OF UP TO FIFTY-THOUSAND POUNDS, CHECK WIKIPEDIA AND SOURCES.

Good grief.

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Wikipedia? Seriously? Wikipedia is a site where anyone can post whatever random bullsh!t they want and hope for people to believe it. T rex doesn't win cause its the best, it wins because people want it to be the best so they hype up stats and tell people its better than their favourite dinosaurs.

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"it is the strongest, smartest, and most heavily evolved of all the dinosaurs..Lol..No other land predator can legitimately match it. IT HAD A BITE-FORCE OF UP TO FIFTY-THOUSAND POUNDS"

I didn't want to say this before, but the impression you're giving me is that of an idiot who doesn't know anything about dinosaurs and just likes t rex 'cause everyone else does.

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??????

An idiot? An idiot who has been studying dinosaurs his entire life. Can tell you all about the keratin rich frill of Triceratops. The sexual dimorphism of tyrannosaurs. The evolution of beasts like Coelophysis into the end all be all dinosaurs like T.rex and Triceratops. An idiot who can tell you how the KT extinction wiped out life, EXACTLY how.

An idiot who can tell you how and why tyrannosaurs had feathers and lips. An imbecile, who can tell you the use of Parasaurolophus's trumpet. A lout, who can tell you why the sauropods started to die out towards the extinction. A useless nitwit, who KNOWS, based on EXTENSIVE knowledge--that Tyrannosaurus rex (written italics like all scientific names and the r in rex with a lower case) is the most powerful predator to have ever existed. Why? It was smart. Why? It could hear up to fifty miles away. Why? It had the most powerful bite-force of all terrestrial beasts. Why? It could smell up to five miles away. Why? Because it hunted in packs. Why? Because its the mother******* T.rex.

Also "anky" does not beat all. By anky I'm sure you mean, Ankylosaurus? No? Yes? Its spiked shell, and keratin rich fused bone club on the end of its tail is a worthy adversary, but it was hunted and killed by the likes of Tyrannosaurus and Dakotaraptor. It may have been rare, but it did happen. The animals that lived with it were built to kill all of their prey. Considering "an idiot who knows next to nothing about dinosaurs" is coming from a guy/girl who had a Carcharodontosaurus win because of its "deep, guttural dark side", is really funny. Haha. I'm laughing.

But what do I know? I'm an idiot, who knows nothing about dinosaurs and adores T.rex because "everyone else does".

Good grief.

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@GorillaGodzilla, Although we had our disagreements but I mostly agree with your statements. With the exception of Tyrannosaurus being the most heavily evolved, I think all dinosaurs living along side Tyrannosaurus were just as evolved as T. rex albeit in their own way. But I agree with you that Tyrannosaurus was the smartest out of the large Theropods and has a wicked bite force that is only rivaled by the American alligator.

@ankybeatsall2468, Wikipedia has became a reliable source of information with moderators constantly watching the edits and they have disabled alot of the edit buttons so your argument is invalid, sir!

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^My studies aren't singled out to Wikipedia. I have been to museums, read countless books, spoken with dinosaur specialists. When I say, that Tyrannosaurus rex is the most heavily evolved and powerful predator to have ever existed, it's true. You read for years on a sect of animals, then read on a single extinct animal for years--read about its ecosysytem, its prey, and its habitat--then tell me that I am an idiot who knows nothing about dinosaurs.

Good grief.

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First off, I never meant to insult or challenge your knowledge of T. rex. What I said was, "the impression you're giving me is that of an idiot who doesn't know anything about dinosaurs". What I meant was, your saying that T. rex was better than everyone in everything was an opinion, though you stated it as fact. That sounded very fanboy-ish, and that was what my comment was about. (Though I apologize if you took offense to that. )

Also, the "deep guttural dark side" was something you made up. I said the Carcharodontosaurus won for vengeance, and a family to protect. Male bears, for example have their asses handed to them by females half their size because the mother bears are fighting for their cubs. Anger overcoming physical advantages in battles is a rather common thing, actually. I understand that (maternal) instinct in bears and dinosaurs is very different, but essentially they are fighting for the same thing. 

"Considering "an idiot who knows next to nothing about dinosaurs" is coming from a guy/girl who had a Carcharodontosaurus win because of its "deep, guttural dark side", is really funny. Haha. I'm laughing."

Trashing a topic because you didn't like the result? Not cool.

"Also "anky" does not beat all." 

Wow. Poking fun at my username? Really not cool. That comment probably wasted more of your time than mine.

Mostly my underlined point is I did not intend to insult you. I wasn't calling you an idiot, I was reacting to what you were saying, the context of it, and what felt to me like forcing an opinion on other people.

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@Xenotaris, you need not side against me because you like T. rex. I have not said anything against T. rex; I haven't called it weak or anything. I'm not telling people they can't think T. rex is cool, just don't trash other people's opinions because you disagree. And yes, Wikipedia has become much more reliable, but just because it is reliable, does not mean all sites showing discrepancies in data are incorrect. I have found a Wikipedia article with estimates of a possible bite force of 47,000 pounds. Other Wikipedia pages claim Tyrannosaurus had a bite force of 60,000 newtons, or 6.8 tonnes. 

National Geographic's computer models suggest a bite force of 35,000 -57,000 newtons, or 7868.313 -12814.11 pounds of force.

Still very formidable jaws, but I think there is very little chance it is what GorillaGodzilla says it is.

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Well I just don't think Carchardontosaurus could kill T. rex, I think just that Tyrannosaurus has more advantageous than disadvantageous. Stronger bite force, a more avian brain, possible more warm bloodedness, thicker teeth, and a robust body capable of surviving other tyrannosaurus bites would make it more than capable to win a fight against Carchardontosaurus. 

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Also no offense but your two dinosaurs are too anthropomorphize, personality wise.

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I do think i went a little too far with my first comment, I did indeed take it as though you were calling me an idiot. I did not insult your name, but merely used it in the context of what I was saying--which was involving then Ankylosaurus. Your name uses it as though it beats all, so I poked fun at that--considering you seem to disrespect Tyrannosaurus.

My estimates are not fake, nor over exaggerated--check Wikipedia and other sources for dinosaurs, the top specimens theorize that the Tyrant King could have exerted up to fifty-thousand pounds or more. Not to be a narcissist, nor a jerk, but I know my T.rex knowledge.

Good grief.

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Carchardontosaurus may have been slightly larger but its jaws were comparatively weak, its teeth were shorter and thin unlike the T. rex's fatter and long bonecrushing teeth. Carchardontosaurus uses its jaws like a battle-axe a signature method for Allosauroids.

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I did mention the Carc using its jaws like a battle-axe (actually a halberd, which is a spear with an axe blade). And, in my opinion, the Carcharodontosaurus would still have won (call me stubborn if you want, I'm not changing my stance on this) regardless of anatomical differences, for the simple reason that it had a family to protect. Wouldn't you fight a lot harder if someone was attacking someone you cared about, or several someones? Especially if the same thing had happened to your parents?

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And I like giving human traits to animals, it makes the story more interesting.

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I give humanization to my dinosaurs too. That, is not the issue with your fight. The issue with your fight, is that it seems too much like an attempt to show that T.rex is beatable--which it is, but when placed blatantly like this just becomes too much. If you were to have accepted it as fiction, for a Carc can't a kill a rex in pure combat, I would have been more accepting of the result. But no, instead you actually see it as fact, as true! That a T.rex would have been beaten by a mentally unstable, rage-filled, Carcharodontosaurus.

Good grief.

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Also, regarding bite force, Carcharodontosaurus may not be at such a disadvantage as it seems. As Xenotaris mentioned above, Allosauroids used a hacking method where they basically drop their jaw on their target. This would make for a devastating attack, considering that the dinosaur would use less energy powering jaws and still achieve similar bite force to a dinosaur that did not use this method (I am not referring to Tyrannosaurus, not even close). Also, considering the 5-6-foot skull, even with fenestrae, would not be lightweight, the attack becomes all the more effective. The teeth were flatter and more suited for slicing, so they would not slow down the jaw force as much on impact. Lastly, even though Carcharodontosaurus, or carcharodontosaurids in general had weaker bites than tyrannosaurs, their skulls were far more lightweight. This made for easier, faster bites, to make an animal bleed out instead of killinbg it with one crushing blow. Tyrannosaur skulls were adapted to brute force, so their "rate of fire," so to speak, would be much slower. There were undoubtedly adaptations to negate the effects of such muscle-bound jaws, but they would not have completely smothered the effects of such powerful jaws. Think about it. If there ever was a dinosaur that could, as you say, apply 50,000 pounds of jaw-force to a quarry, the jaws must be extremely heavy. That's twice the weight of a dump truck, and an upper-weight-limit dump truck at that. No amount of neck muscles could completely relieve the weight of those jaws, if at all.

For example, just because you're strong doesn't mean you can move a hammer like a toothpick. Strength isn't everything, it's the momentum. Tyrannosaurs would need a few seconds at best (and that's already really stretching it) to counteract the downward momentum of its strike,  especially in case of a miss. Precious seconds while the carcharodontosaurid moves out of range and attacks somewhere else.

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