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"THE FLUFFENING" OF DINOSAURS

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SquidBonez

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Back in the 50s, the "trend" to depict dinosaurs was as slow, tail-dragging, stupid lizards. We now know that this is far from the truth. Now, the "trend" is to put feathers on every dinosaur. EVERY dinosaur, regaurdless of logic or probability and presenting it as fact. Perhaps the "fluffening" as I call it is no different.

Before I start, I just want to say this: THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY BIAS I HAVE. I accept the fact that dromeosaurs, therozinosaurs, and other smaller theropods had feathers. IMO, feathered dinosaurs are more interesting to look at, and (in some cases) cooler! The only reason I'm about to say what I'm going to say is because I believe certain dinosaurs depicted with feathers are inaccurate. 

Let's start with a really hot-button topic. You knew it was coming. T. rex and feathers. Do I believe it? No. Why? Let me explain.

Many people assume that since Yutyrannus had feathers, that must mean that T. Rex, Albertosaurus, Gorgosaurus, Tarbosaurus, Daspletosaurus, and other large, advanced tyrannosaurs definetley had feathers as well. This is like someone who had never seen an elephant in their entire life saying "Mammoths had thick fur, so elephants must have had thick fur too!" Yutyrannus was a primitive tyrannosaur, and most (if not all) primitive tyrannosaurs had feathers. However, most primitive tyrannosaurs were small, but Yutyrannus is 30 feet long! Yutyrannus was more closley related with the small, fuzzy Dilong than the huge, intimidating Tyrannosaurus. This is where (I believe) people get mixed up. They think "A 30 foot long tyrannosaur covered in feathers head to toe? T. rex was almost certainly the same!".

There is  a massive flaw with this assumption that so many people miss. Yutyrannus lived in the Yixian Formation about 125 million years ago. The Yixian Formation (located in eastern China) was a region of high elevation, which means cooler temperatures. This region had an average yearly temperature of about 50 degrees fahrenheit. The winters there were harsh, possibly dipping into the 20s. The summers probably stayed around 60 to 70. This means that even a large dinosaur like Yutyrannus would have needed a "winter coat" to stay warm. Actually, many of the dinosaurs in Yutyrannus's time were feathered, such as Graciliraptor, Mei, Dilong, Tianyuraptor, Sinocalliopteryx, and Beipaosaurus. 

Where T. rex lived, the climate was much warmer and much more humid. This, paired with the fact that T. rex was considerably larger than Yutyrannus really makes T. rex deptictions like this: 

Credit to DINOSTEVE93

much less likely (by no means was that a bad piece of art, but it IS a little over-the-top). That fact paired with the fact that we have found skin impressions that show scales rather than feathers from Tyrannosaurus, Tarbosaurus, and other non-tyrannosaurs such as Allosaurus, Carnotaurus and Ceratosaurus. Although, most of these impressions are fragmentary. However...they DO show scales in places where Yutyrannus had feathers. 

Is it wrong to deptict T. rex and its close relatives with a little feathers on its arms or the back of its neck? No! But is it wrong to cover its entire body? Probably. This picture:

Credit to Teratophoneus

shows a tyrannosaur with a probable balance of feathers and scales. Just remember this: there is NO direct evidence showing that T. rex had any feathers at all, but there is much more evidence (in comparison) supporting the idea that T. rex was scaly.

Here is an article about feathers on dinosaurs OUTSIDE of the Tyrannosaur family. It kind of inspired me to write this and I completley agree with it. In short, it's a great summary of how I feel about this topic. Check it out: http://observationdeck.kinja.com/a-comprehensive-guide-to-dinosaur-feathers-and-scales-1603368757

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@DINOBONEZ

 

It wasn't directed towards you; more-so some of the ones posting here who still think that a feathered dinosaur has no potential to be frightening or any potential to be intimidating.

 

I could honestly care less if a dinosaur is scary or not. It's an animal, not a science fiction monster. We should be designing them to what fossils are telling us. Currently, fossils are gearing towards more feathered dinosaurs than scaley. Simple as that.

 

Sure, we do not have direct evidence for Tyrannosaurus being feathered, but the more we find of the animal and the more we find evidence from its relatives, the more it's safe to assume that they at least had patches of feathers scattered on the body.

 

I'd think it's much like modern-day elephants. Believe it or not, Elephants are actually pretty hairy. Not as hairy as their woolly cousins, but hairy still. However, it comes in patches in specific locations throughout the body: on the forehead, under the maw, on the stomach, etc. I would think Tyrannosaurus would share a similar makeup, especially since Yutyrannous supported a full body of feathers and was an ancestor.

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Yeah, I do imagine it had to have quills, well that's what I think

Thanks, haha, I changed it from Raptor-401 to ALAN!-401 since I thought it would be funny to do so.

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Gosh I had a really nice topic but the browser crashed and I lost several paragraphs... what a shame...

 

I'm just going to say this here, not really bringing any arguments supporting it (YET!).

This it not my opinion or anyone's opinion...

It is VERY likely that ALL dinosaurs had some sort of feathery skin covering.

Yep. I will try to remake that topic showing you why, but this is it. And it doesn't really matter if you agree or not to it, because this is far more likely than dinosaurs being scaly, and nature doesn't give two cents on our opinions.

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I'm honestly going for what DinoSteve said. SOme people even like to imagine Spinosaurus had some fuzziness to it...

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@DINOSTEVE93

 

Another "fluffening" supporter I see...sigh

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I know DinoSteve, so try not to act to harsh DInoBenz, I think he will post some legitamate reasonging of why he is a "flufferner" as you say.

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What remains of dinosaurs can neither prove nor disprove the presence of feathers in their physiology. To argue the case in either direction is to simply make speculations. However, we can all agree on this point: dinosaurs were incredible and enigmatic creatures the likes of which our world will likely never again see. What makes them so special is that they are so unknowable - monsters of great enormity that roamed our world. :)

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@ALAN!-401

 

That did come off as harsh, didn't it? Sorry, I didn't mean that in any sort of mean way. I was trying to be sarcastic, but it's rather difficult over the Internet, no?

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@SOMETHING REAL

 

Amen. I was just putting this post out there for those who automaticlly believe whatever someone tells them. I have met a lot of them. But in the end, like you said. No harm in speculating, though.

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It is harder to practice pulling off sarcasm, believe me I know! It just takes practice, make sure you imagine how it would be like for someone to read your statement.

If possible, put italics possibly to emphasize part of the sarcasm.  If possibly, you can put a "sarcasm warning", it all depends.

 

I think I've mastered sarcasm on here considering the dozens of spoof/satirical topics I have made in the past, so if you need help or advice with anything, you can always PM me.

 

As a side note, I think it would be good to get a profile picture so people can easily recognize who you are and possibly what your interests are.

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lol sigh... like it would be something bad.

I'll definitely do a topic with all the arguments I have, but this is not a floof supporter vs. scaly supporter. This is the case of people that are not up to date with science yet.

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Personally I think it's good that we're having more imaginitive views of these creatures rather than giant scaly lizards.

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@ALAN!-401 

@DINOSTEVE93

 

Actually, despite what it may sound like based on my "essay", I actually prefer my dinosaurs resembeling giant cassowaries rather than Godzilla. LOL

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Well I do too, haha.

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That turkeylike depiction of tyrannosaurus is by far one of the worse depictions, in regards to trying to supposedly attempt to be accurate


First off, a theropod (especially a tyrannosaurid) of that size would likely never have such a thick coat of feathers. This is because an animal of that size would actually have major issues lowering its body temperature. Larger bodies tend to be hotter and dissipate body heat significantly less than smaller organisms.
All of which is especially true when considering that all dinosaurs were likely warm-blooded.


The only way for it to be possible for such a massive theropod to have such a thick coat of feathers would be if it lived in an ice-age; not even the winters were likely cold enough. But even if so, why would the head be naked?

If anything based on fossil evidence from Yutyrannus huali (a large tyrannosauroid), it had small feathers on its head and face. Thus likewise, so did tyrannosaurus.



At the very best, tyrannosaurus had very small feathers on its body (including head and face). Though there is a small possibility that tyrannosaurus had larger feathers, though likely only being on its head, back and tail for display; if even that.

 

 

Also, based on modern predatory birds, tyrannosaurus should be in a more complex patterned color scheme.

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Based on factual data, the very best and actually scientifically accurate depiction of a feathered tyrannosaurus is that by Davide Bonadonna:

http://www.comune.milano.it/dseserver/WebCity/Documenti.nsf/d38e0f65f96d36fc0125690e00465e37/312cb0860a0b9abbc1257d510037a657/$FILE/03%20-%20confronto%20dimensionale%20tra%20spinosauro%20e%20altri%20teropodi%20-%20disegni%20D.%20Bonadonna%20Prehistoric%20Minds.jpg

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That turkeylike depiction of tyrannosaurus is by far one of the worse depictions, in regards to trying to supposedly attempt to be accurate


First off, a theropod (especially a tyrannosaurid) of that size would likely never have such a thick coat of feathers. This is because an animal of that size would actually have major issues lowering its body temperature. Larger bodies tend to be hotter and dissipate body heat significantly less than smaller organisms.
All of which is especially true when considering that all dinosaurs were likely warm-blooded.


The only way for it to be possible for such a massive theropod to have such a thick coat of feathers would be if it lived in an ice-age; not even the winters were likely cold enough. But even if so, why would the head be naked?

If anything based on fossil evidence from Yutyrannus huali (a large tyrannosauroid), it had small feathers on its head and face. Thus likewise, so did tyrannosaurus.



At the very best, tyrannosaurus had very small feathers on its body (including head and face). Though there is a small possibility that tyrannosaurus had larger feathers, though likely only being on its head, back and tail for display; if even that.

 

 

Also, based on modern predatory birds, tyrannosaurus should be in a more complex patterned color scheme.

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Based on factual data, the very best and actually scientifically accurate depiction of a feathered tyrannosaurus is that by David http://www.comune.milano.it/dseserver/WebCity/Documenti.nsf/d38e0f65f96d36fc0125690e00465e37/312cb0860a0b9abbc1257d510037a657/$FILE/03%20-%20confronto%20dimensionale%20tra%20spinosauro%20e%20altri%20teropodi%20-%20disegni%20D.%20Bonadonna%20Prehistoric%20Minds.jpge Bonadonna:

 

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Make them fluffy, they still gonna eat y'all!

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