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Megaraptorids: Possible Tyrannosaurs?

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Rex Fan 684

MemberCompsognathusDec-10-2014 1:55 PM

So, I've heard some theories that megraptorids are possibly tyrannosaurs. Now, before you discount this as crazy, hear me out. They do bear a striking resemblence to some primitive tyrannosaurs(especially Dryptosaurus)...

 

Australovenator, a typical megaraptorid...

 

Dryptosaurus, a primitive tyrannosaur...

 

Remember, not all tyrannosaurs were short armed and two fingered. Yutyrannus, Dryptosaurus, Guanlong, and some others all had long arms with three fingers. 

 

Also know this theory is not my own(though I agree it's possible). I have seen it on Wikipedia and other sites here and there. 

 

Anyways, if this is true, this expands the area tyrannosaurs dominated and their variety(there are basal tyrannosaurs found down south, in particular Australia). 

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Sci-Fi King25

MemberAllosaurusDec-10-2014 3:08 PM

It's an interesting theory, yet I still believe Megaraptorids were different.

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Rex Fan 684

MemberCompsognathusDec-10-2014 4:27 PM

Like I said, it is a theory ;)

"Men like me don't start the wars. We just die in them. We've always died in them, and we always will. We don't expect any praise for it, no parades. No one knows our names." ―Alpha-98

Rex Fan 684

MemberCompsognathusDec-10-2014 4:39 PM

Also, if megaraptorids were tyrannosaurs, then Siats would be one of the largest tyrannosaurs. In fact, it might explain how tyrannosaurs took over North America from the allosaurs/carcharodontosaurs of the Jurassic/Early Cretaceous. Allosaurus rules, followed by Acrocanthosaurus, then the tyrannosaurs take over in the form of Siats, with T.rex finally coming next. Just a thought ;)

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LeviathanTeratophoneusFerox

MemberCompsognathusDec-10-2014 4:50 PM

That's definetly an eye brow raiser, could be possible.

 

Let's just see what history has instored.

 

Fossils however need more correlation tho

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Rex Fan 684

MemberCompsognathusDec-10-2014 4:55 PM

Indeed. I don't know specifics, I've just heard the idea thrown around there and, technically, it makes a little sense. Basal tyrannosaurs have been found in the south, so southern tyrannosaurs aren't unheard of. And as I said earlier, many primitive tyrannosaurs have a lot in common with the megaraptorids.

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LeviathanTeratophoneusFerox

MemberCompsognathusDec-10-2014 5:00 PM

Hmm...sounds very interesting, I will conduct further research on this.

 

I want to see if this adds up to their evolutionary branch. :)

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Carnosaur

MemberCompsognathusDec-10-2014 5:10 PM

Something interesting:

Abstract
 Megaraptorids are a group of predatory dinosaurs that inhabited
 Gondwana from Cenomanian to Santonian times (Late Cretaceous).
Phylogenetic relationships of megaraptorids have been matter of recent
 debate, being alternatively interpreted as basal coelurosaurs, carcharodontosaurian allosauroids, megalosauroids, and basal
 tyrannosauroids. One of the main reasons for such different
 interpretations is the incomplete nature of most available
 megaraptorid skeletons and, in particular, the scarce information
 about their cranial anatomy. Here we describe a partially preserved
 skeleton of a juvenile specimen of Megaraptor namunhuaiquii that
 provides substantial new information about the cranial morphology of
 this Patagonian taxon. The specimen comes from the Upper Cretaceous
 (Turonian–Coniacian) of the Portezuelo Formation, northwestern
 Patagonia, Argentina. The anatomy of the new specimen bolsters the
 recently proposed hypothesis that megaraptorids are nested within
Coelurosauria, and possibly within Tyrannosauroidea. The most relevant features that megaraptorans share with tyrannosauroids include several foramina on the premaxillary body, extremely long and straight prenarial process of the premaxilla, incisiviform premaxillary teeth with a D-shaped cross-section, and cranially expanded supratemporal fossae separated from each other by a sharp sagittal median crest on frontals, which was presumably extended caudally above the parietals (not preserved). Information gathered from the present specimen allows to make for the first time a reconstruction of the skull of Megaraptor and hypothesize about evolutionary trends within Tyrannosauroidea.

Damn paper's paywalled, but if anyone thinks they can find it, here's the citation
Juan D. Porfiri, Fernando E. Novas, Jorge O. Calvo, Federico L.
 Agnolín, Martín D. Ezcurra & Ignacio A. Cerda (2014)
 Juvenile specimen of Megaraptor (Dinosauria, Theropoda) sheds light
 about tyrannosauroid radiation.

Anyway, i guess this shook things up quite a bit. Here's what the
megaraptora family tree looks like nowadays
Megaraptora
 

Siats

 
unnamed
 

Fukuiraptor

 
Megaraptoridae
 

Eotyrannus

 
 
 

Australovenator

 
 

Rapator

 
 
unnamed
 

Orkoraptor

 
 
 

Aerosteon

 
 

Megaraptor

 
 
 
 
 
 

 

However, we must keep in mind the fact that Tyrannosauroids
aren't Tyrannosaurids.
For example:
Tyrannosauroidea
Proceratosauridae
 
 

Proceratosaurus bradleyi

 
 

Kileskus aristotocus

 
 

Guanlong wucaii

 
 
 
 

Sinotyrannus kazuoensis

 
 
 

Juratyrant langhami

 
 

Stokesosaurus clevelandi

 
 
 
 
 
 

Dilong paradoxus

 
 
 

Eotyrannus lengi

 
 
 

Bagaraatan ostromi

 
 
 

Raptorex kriegsteini

 
 
 

Dryptosaurus aquilunguis

 
 
 
 

Alectrosaurus olseni

 
 

Xiongguanlong baimoensis

 
 
 
 

Appalachiosaurus montgomeriensis

 
 
 
 

Alioramus altai

 
 

Alioramus remotus

 
 
Tyrannosauridae
 
 

Gorgosaurus libratus

 
 

Albertosaurus sarcophagus

 
 
Tyrannosaurinae
 

Dinosaur Park tyrannosaurid

 
 
 

Daspletosaurus torosus

 
 
 

Two Medicine tyrannosaurid

 
 
 

Teratophoneus curriei

 
 
 

Bistahieversor sealeyi

 
 
 

Lythronax argestes

 
 
 

Tyrannosaurus rex

 
 
 

Tarbosaurus bataar

 
 

Zhuchengtyrannus magnus

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Went off-page there; here's the link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrannosauroidea

Siats would, theoretically, be the largest basal
Tyrannosauroid based on these cladograms, if they're proven to be correct.
Interesting stuff considering the time frame it occupied..
 

Nature doesn't deceive us; it is we who deceive ourselves.

Rex Fan 684

MemberCompsognathusDec-10-2014 5:28 PM

Nice find there Carnosaur. Yes, tyrannosauroids aren't really closely related to T.rex, but are the earliest members of the group as a whole. Very interesting stuff overall. It seems that tyrannosaurs(being general here) may have been apex predators just about everywhere in the Cretaceous.

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Elite Raptor 007

MemberCompsognathusDec-11-2014 1:14 AM

i think that it is possible, but don't just look from the outside, this conclusion is not cocreat untill the scientist test the DNA of a megaraptorids and a tyrannosauroid

Something Real

MemberTyrannosaurus RexDec-11-2014 3:12 AM

REX FAN 684 - What a fascinating theory! I'd actually never heard of this bit of speculation, however, it does indeed seem to hold water! How very neat! :)

Danielosaurus

MemberCompsognathusDec-11-2014 8:23 AM

Weren't Siats smaller than T.Rex?

Rex Fan 684

MemberCompsognathusDec-14-2014 10:27 AM

Yeah, T.rex was bigger. Why?

"Men like me don't start the wars. We just die in them. We've always died in them, and we always will. We don't expect any praise for it, no parades. No one knows our names." ―Alpha-98

Lord of the Spinosaurs

MemberCompsognathusDec-14-2014 10:44 AM

Nice post, I personally think that Megaraptorids are Tyrannosauroids. About Siats, I don't agree with that size comparison to T-Rex. In terms of length, Siats was up there with T-Rex at about 40 feet. In terms of weight, T-Rex probably weighed twice as much as Siats.

 

There is no such thing as a pure predator. A meat-eater is eit

Rex Fan 684

MemberCompsognathusDec-14-2014 10:48 AM

Well, technically, that size comparison is of the "juvenile" Siats specimen, so it is accurate as far as length goes. The holotype is 9 meters, but the adult size is probably around 11-12 meters.

 

Glad you like the post :)

"Men like me don't start the wars. We just die in them. We've always died in them, and we always will. We don't expect any praise for it, no parades. No one knows our names." ―Alpha-98
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