Gigadino
MemberCompsognathusNov-08-2014 7:14 PMI'm back, and since there have been a lot of new things during last months, I think it's time to update my top 10 largest Theropods list. You may find some big surprises:
#1. Tyrannosaurus rex
Everybody's favourite meat eater. Called "the absolute wardlord of the Earth" by New York Times in 1905, it's the most famous dinosaur in this list. This guy is pretty big: the largest specimen in called FMHN PR2081, or "Sue", and it's the largest good Theropod specimen: it was around to 3.5 meters tall, with a lenght of 12.3 m. This guy wasn't the longest meat-eaters but, due to its massive built, it was likely among the heaviest. Estimates for "Sue" range from as little as 5.6 t to over 9.5 t. Hartman recently proposed a lower estimate, wich puts this animal at over 8 t. It can beat any other Theropods in my list in terms of weight and since this ranking is about the largest (=heaviest), it earned the first place.
#2, #3, #4: Mapusaurus rosae, Giganotosaurus carolinii, Carcharodontosaurus saharicus
The three largest Carcharodontosaurids are very similar in size, so they share a common place.
Mapusaurus is often thought to be just 10-11 m long. Actually, that's just a myth. Coria & Curria, Mapusaurus's describers, mentioned some specimens comparable in size with Giganotosaurus carolinii's holotype. There is also a specimen wich is 110 % the size of Giganotosaurus carolinii's holotype. That's just a piubic shaft, so we cannot give a precise estimate for this animal. If it was really 110 % the size of G.carolinii's holotype, it was 13.6 m long, but as this is a fragmentary specimen, we don't know if it really was that large. A wiser 12-13 m range is better for large Mapusaurus specimens. A weight range similar to that of Giganotosaurus is also feasible.
One of the well know guys is Giganotosaurus carolinii. This south american Carcharodontosaurid was discovered back in 1993, and it was one of the largest Theropods. The first specimen is a uncomplete skeleton (around to 50-70 % complete), wich is longer than "Sue" (at 12.2-12.4 m), but lighter (at 6-7 t). A second specimen has been discovered. It's a piece of dental, and it's estimated to be 6.5 % larger than the first specimen. If it was really that big, it was 13.2 m long, but again this specimen is very fragmentary, and precise estimates aren't safe. A 12-13 m range for this specimen is pretty good. Weight estimates ranges from 5 to 14 t, but something like 7-8 t is supported by most of the paleontologist.
Carcharodontosaurus saharicus is the most fragmentary of the three. It's been discovered back in 1927, but only recently we realized how big it really was. Its size strongly depends on its proportions: if it was small-headed, like Acrocanthosaurus, well, the largest speimen, SMG-din 1, would have been a huge behemot, at almost 14 meters long. However, a such build is pretty unlikely, as Acrocanthosaurus is a less derivated Carcharodontosaurid. The much closer Giganotosaurus is a big-headed Theropod, so a big-headed build is likely for Carcharodontosaurus saharicus, too. If it was big headed, it would end up between 12 and 13 meters. Again, 12-13 m is the best range for a such fragmentary beast. A weight similar to that of other giant Carcharodontosaurids is likely.
#5: Spinosaurus aegyptiacus
Once regarded as the biggest Theropod, something changed during last months. In fact, Ibrahim et. al proposed a new recostruction based on new materials. This time, the animal was much closer to the ground than before, and it had a much less deep chest, thus the animal would be lighter. There is no official estimate for the new recostruction, but Andrea Cau mentioned a 6-7 t figure, wich would fit perfectly for a such gracile animal. Spinosaurus aegyptiacus still holds the record as longest Theropod though, at 12-15 meters long.
#6: Tyrannotitan chubuitensis
This guy may not be that well know among the public, but it would definitely deserve to: it's got an epic name, rivalling Tyrannosaurus rex itself. Joking aside, Cau called it "the Cinderella of Giant Theropods", because it's often forgotten, when it's the largest Theropod know from good specimens along with T.rex. Its lenght was estimated at 12.2 m, and that's the only estimate I found. There's even a 13 meters one by GSP, but seems to be based on a 13 m Giganotosaurs holotype, wich is doubtfull. The largest specimen is around as big as Giganotosaurus holotype - so, between 6 and 7 t - making it one of the largest Theropod.
#7: Deinocheirus mirificus
This guy is a new entry. Once an unsolved puzzle, today the most depicted dinosaur on Deviant Art. Only recently we realized how much strange (and big) it was; we've new materials, wich includes two new very good preserved skeletons. This animal was in the 6-6.5 t range, according to new estimates based on new specimens, so it was almost as big as Spinosaurus. Its lenght is measured at 11 m long, thus it was pretty long as well. It may hold the record as the tallest Theropod, at over 4 meters tall.
#8: Acrocanthosaurus atokensis
This guy is easily recognizable due to its muscolar ridge on its back. Even though it isn't always mentioned, it's earned its place here, as it's one of the largest Theropod, as well as apex predator of its ecosystem. The largest specimen is called "Fran", and it's indeed pretty big; it's measured to reach 11,5 meters long over the curves. Weight estimates rage between 5 and 6 t, even though Mazzetta proposed a higher weight of 7 t. Cau said that this Theropod was much more gracile than Tyrannosaurus rex, so a 5-6 t range can be good.
#9: Therizinosaurus cheloniformis
This guy isn't mentioned everywhere, but it should. It's the most massively built Theropod, even more than Tyrannosaurus rex, thus it was among the heaviest. This guy is the only herbivore in my ranking, but it was a Theropod, so I included it. I've found a lot of estimates for this animal, but a 10 meters estiamte for lenght appears to be good. This animal could have weighted around to 5 t. It may have been the tallest Theropod, only rivalled by Deinocheirus.
#10: Suchomimus tenerensis
You weren't expecting to find it here, were you? Actually, even though it's often forgotten, it definitely deserves to be there. Suchomimus's type specimen is a sub adult, yet it's very big: it was originally estimated at 11 meters, but GSP later gave a 9.5 m estimate. However, hartman recently made a skeletal of this specimen, wich is 12 meters long. And it even wasn't an adult. Weight estimates rage from 4 to over 5 tonnes, thus a 4-5 t range can be good.
Lord Vader
MemberTyrannosaurus RexNov-15-2014 5:35 PMPerhaps if you'd just get off his back. No need to attack damn near everything he says just because you disagree with it. Unless of course, it's a habit you've developed and have no control over. Cut the guy some slack though.
Jack of all trades. Master of none
Spinosaurus Rex
MemberCompsognathusNov-15-2014 5:35 PMHow bout you look at the majority of websites about Spino, they mainly support my theory. Dont you dare call me biased, i can copy and paste all of the websites that support me if need be.
Tyrant king
MemberCompsognathusNov-15-2014 5:35 PMHey, what about me? And insulting those who disagree. That is truly pathetic.
Carnosaur
MemberCompsognathusNov-15-2014 5:35 PMNature doesn't deceive us; it is we who deceive ourselves.
Carnosaur
MemberCompsognathusNov-15-2014 5:39 PMNature doesn't deceive us; it is we who deceive ourselves.
Spinosaurus Rex
MemberCompsognathusNov-15-2014 5:40 PMOh, cut the guy slack while he still spouting nonsense, you and i both know thats not how i operate. IDGAS if you are new, you need to accept the fact many people dont think the way you do, and you said you were 28? Ha! I would expect more, but clearly i shouldnt.
Something Real
MemberTyrannosaurus RexNov-15-2014 5:41 PMSPINOSAURUS REX - What, might I ask, are you going to do to KOM? You, like the rest of us, are a voice within a virtual world. Your tone is becoming more and more threatening, but you, like anyone else here, are nothing but words. You, like everyone else, have no power to effect pointed changes upon others through a topic board.
**Al**
Community ExecutiveMemberCompsognathusNov-15-2014 5:42 PMIf somebody feels insulted by whatever, send me a pm.
I already said that 100 times this year, that can't be so hard to understand.
The world will spin well past our last breath, but I will always care about you
Lord Vader
MemberTyrannosaurus RexNov-15-2014 5:43 PMI know all too well that's not how you operate.
One thing though. How's about none of this "I'm the last guy you want to piss off" stuff? Just saying. Like, "ah, I'm so scared of this internet tough guy." Anyone can say anything from behind a keyboard and monitor.
Jack of all trades. Master of none
Something Real
MemberTyrannosaurus RexNov-15-2014 5:45 PMCARNOSAUR - You're most welcome! I really enjoyed that information; it brought to light some data that I'd been sorely missing over the past month and actually filled in afew gaps for me! It was awesome! :)
Carnosaur
MemberCompsognathusNov-15-2014 5:49 PMNature doesn't deceive us; it is we who deceive ourselves.
Spinosaurus Rex
MemberCompsognathusNov-15-2014 5:49 PMSR, How bout you have another "orgasm" comment on a differant topic, k? There are multiple people who have the same tone as me, but yet you turn to me always.
Something Real
MemberTyrannosaurus RexNov-15-2014 5:49 PMTYRANT KING - Indeed. We need to cool our heels and take stock of the valuable information that's been presented by all parties involved in this conversation. :)
kom
MemberCompsognathusNov-15-2014 5:51 PMSpinosaurus rex is really threatening me. That's factually pathetic. And I'd like to have the guy in front of me. But that's impossible so I just can laugh more at him.
Carnosaur, you still suggest I've used my nationality in the debate. Once again, you were pointing on my language, I tell you I'm not born English speaker, nothing more, period.
Now, for the guys who think in their theories, so be it. I don't give a heck, I rely on the real paleontologists, the real professionnal discussions and the actual data.
So the theories of Spino rex and Carnosaur I just don't give a coin, really.
I responded because I thought there was some possible discussion. That's impossible.
I've discussed with Gigadino member and despite we disagreed on some points, we did not insult each other, even reaching an agreement.
Ibrahim et al.>>>Spinosaurus rex and Carnosaur. So who cares...
Spinosaurus Rex
MemberCompsognathusNov-15-2014 5:52 PMWell i do suppose i can't do anything physically, but we can have one hell of a flame war, but IIIIII dont know.
Lord Vader
MemberTyrannosaurus RexNov-15-2014 5:52 PMThere isn't exactly any action going on in any other topic. This has been rather interesting to keep up with.
Jack of all trades. Master of none
**Al**
Community ExecutiveMemberCompsognathusNov-15-2014 5:53 PM@Carno, Chill out and do not to tell to others what to do, that is up ONLY to the Mods and staff team; so please if you dont mind do not attack to the other members that is againts to the forums rules-
open your ears, all of you: I already said send me a pm if there is something to report.
Is the last sentence Ill type out about it. You knwo whats the next-
thanks to all.
Il be waiting any pm about whatever you guys wanna said or report-
The world will spin well past our last breath, but I will always care about you
Lord Vader
MemberTyrannosaurus RexNov-15-2014 5:55 PMS-Rex and I know all too much about these flame wars. Trust me, you don't want one with anyone.
Jack of all trades. Master of none
Spinosaurus Rex
MemberCompsognathusNov-15-2014 5:56 PMDeeply sorry AL, deeply. But a certain new member needs to realize it isnt cool to randomly appear and rudely downgrade other's claims.
Carnosaur
MemberCompsognathusNov-15-2014 5:57 PMNature doesn't deceive us; it is we who deceive ourselves.
Something Real
MemberTyrannosaurus RexNov-15-2014 5:57 PMSPINOSAURUS REX - How very nice! Your tone always instills such confidence in your ability to ameliorate your point of discourse! Could you possibly be any more fascinating?! I ask - nay, demand! - a formal right to applaud you for your exceptional wit! A joyous cacaphony of bells for you, my berating friend! Such a wondrous and astute litany! :)
Lord Vader
MemberTyrannosaurus RexNov-15-2014 6:01 PMThat..... was a bit ignorant TK.
Jack of all trades. Master of none
kom
MemberCompsognathusNov-15-2014 6:01 PMi posted what i knew kom, don't take it the wrong way. about calling you a moron, you bet your ass i did, don't bring your nationality/native language into debate. it has no meaning, & using it against me was childish. please show me where i've been biased here, don't say “because you think there's 11 ton spinosaurus'” because that by no means is bias. your “6-7 ton” figure is unofficial atm, and it will be until the paper is released. yes, i'm stubborn. but, if this figure is actually cited within the text, i'll embrace it. you haven't been here long enough to call me biased, bruh. reading older posts of mine would show you that.
Sorry but someone spitting on private information coming from Maganuco or others from the team is biased to me.
Plus, really, I post the quote. You ask the screenshot instead. I post it, and you still reject it. If that's not biased, what's that ?
Also, actually private communications within scientific community DO MATTER. There are regularly references in peer reviewed publication where is stated as sources (name of the author. private com.)
Now if you say that you'll embrace the figure only once it's published, that's fairly reasonnable too. I don't force you to embrace that new estimate as of now.
I ask you to not spit on it like you did all the day.
Because if in one year, a new material implies a 11 tons plus Spino, I'll enjoy it as much. I have no favoritism, I favor the actual, up to date, figures.
So yes, I can't discussed with the biased guys, nor the fanboys or the haters.
Something Real
MemberTyrannosaurus RexNov-15-2014 6:01 PMTYRANT KING - It's actually a tad chilly where I am. How about for you? :)
Carnosaur
MemberCompsognathusNov-15-2014 6:01 PMNature doesn't deceive us; it is we who deceive ourselves.
Tyrant king
MemberCompsognathusNov-15-2014 6:06 PM@mr.h, how? I was joking.
@ kom, just end it please.
@ SR, chilly where I am but it is normally like 85 degrees.
@ carno, stop will go through hell with a smile.