Carnosaur
MemberCompsognathusOct-06-2014 9:05 AMAllosaurus spp. vs Ceratosaurus Dentisulcatus
Allosaurus
Allosaurus was a typical large theropod, having a massive skull on a short neck, a long tail and reduced forelimbs. Allosaurus fragilis, the best-known species, had an average length of 8.5 m (28 ft),with the largest definitive Allosaurus specimen (AMNH 680) estimated at 9.7 meters long (32 ft),[3] and an estimated weight of 2.3 metric tons (2.5 short tons). In his 1976 monograph on Allosaurus, James Madsen mentioned a range of bone sizes which he interpreted to show a maximum length of 12 to 13 m (39 to 43 ft). As with dinosaurs in general, weight estimates are debatable, and since 1980 have ranged between 1,500 kilograms (3,300 pounds), 1,000 to 4,000 kg (2,200 to 8,800 lb), and 1,010 kilograms (2,230 pounds) for modal adult weight (not maximum). John Foster, a specialist on the Morrison Formation, suggests that 1,000 kg (2,200 lb) is reasonable for large adults of A. fragilis, but that 700 kg (1,500 lb) is a closer estimate for individuals represented by the average-sized thigh bones he has measured.Using the subadult specimen nicknamed "Big Al"*, researchers using computer modelling arrived at a best estimate of 1,500 kilograms (3,300 lb) for the individual, but by varying parameters they found a range from approximately 1,400 kilograms (3,100 lb) to approximately 2,000 kilograms (4,400 lb).
* "Big Al" Big Al 2, and a few AMNH speciens have been designated Allosaurus Spp.
Ceratosaurus
Ceratosaurus, at first glance, looked like a fairly typical theropod,[1] however its skull was quite large in proportion to the rest of its bodyand possessed a prominent nose horn formed from protuberances of the nasal bones. In addition to the large nasal horn, Ceratosauruspossessed smaller hornlike ridges in front of each eye, similar to those of Allosaurus, these ridges were formed by enlargement of the lacrimal bones.Marsh (1884) suggested that Ceratosaurus weighed about half as much as Allosaurus. In Predatory Dinosaurs of the World, published in 1988, Gregory S. Paul estimated that the C. nasicornis holotype skeleton came from an animal weighing about 524 kilograms (1,155 lb) while the large material from the Cleveland-Lloyd Quarry represents a much bigger and heavier individual, whose bulk he estimated at about 980 kilograms (2,160 lb).The bigger specimen was later assigned by James H. Madsen and Samuel P. Welles to the new species C. dentisulcatus.A considerably lower figure was proposed by John Foster, a specialist on the Morrison Formation, in 2007. Foster used an equation provided by J.F. Anderson and colleagues to estimate mass from femur length, which yielded an approximate weight of 275 kilograms (606 lb) for C. magnicornis and 452 kilograms (996 lb) for C. dentisulcatus.
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Carnosaur
MemberCompsognathusOct-06-2014 9:13 AMbefore anyone passes judgement, this is Allosaurus spp. in other words, the smaller species of allosaurus with a total axial length of ~8 meters and weighing around half a ton.
Personally, i give this to Ceratosaurus 65-35. It's way more robust, and has a more lethal set of jaws then the allosaur at these sizes.
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Allotitan
MemberCompsognathusOct-06-2014 12:48 PMFor me, I'm going allosaurus on this one.
i don't know why....
i just have a feeling that an Allosaurus would be too agile for a ceratosaurus and I just a feeling in my gut that Allosaurus would win, but that would be a parity. 55-45 Allosaurus at parity
at max sizes, I would go ceratosaurus because of pretty much Carnosaur's reasons
Max sizes:
60-40 Ceratosaurus
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Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusOct-06-2014 12:49 PM60-40 in favor of Ceratosaurus. Against the smaller species of Allosaurus, it's heavier and stronger pound for pound. Plus, with those teeth(some 5-7 inches long), it could cause horrific injuries. The Allosaurus is smarter and has a hatchet bite, but it's lighter weight frame could spell doom for the predator.
Tyrant king
MemberCompsognathusOct-06-2014 1:01 PMI say 51-49 in favor of cereatosaurus because he is bulkier Ian's pound for pound us stronger and his overbite plus huge fangs will wreak havoc on allo's body. But allosaurus will put up I e hell of a fight and would be to quick for cereatosaurus to succsesfully land a blow each time. Plus the hatchet bite will be just as effective and deveastating as cerato's overbite. Plus allo is not weak and pathetic as some claim and will deal some damage to cerato over the course of the fight.
ceratosaurus.
advsntages: overbite, bulkier, stronger bite.
disadvantges: slower.
allosaurus.
advantges: hatchet bite, agility.
disadvantages: smaller of the two, weaker bite.
final outcome, 51-49 in favor of ceratosaurus. But allosaurus will infect done heavy injuries on cereatosaurus.
@ rex fan, intelligence dies NOT play a role in a face to face, non ambush fight. rhose kinds if fights are determined almost exclusively by instinct. And before you try to say intelligence helps with hunting, that may be true but you got to remeber that this is not a hunt, but a fight. A think about it, when you fight soneone you aren't thinking about a plan or anything like that you are just going off fighting instinct and trying to win.
Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusOct-06-2014 1:17 PMIntelligence may not play the biggest role in combat, but it does play a role. An animal that's smart will not attack hapazardly and blindly. It'll assess the situation and try to figure out it's rivals weakness.
PS- This is a really good picture for this situation...
Tyrant king
MemberCompsognathusOct-06-2014 1:22 PMAnimals don't attack haphazardly and blindly like that. plan just fight. Gorilla vs erectopus presumably the gorilla is smarter and for the sake of the analogy lets just say it is trur. The erectopus would quite easily win cause it is much better adapted to fighting.
Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusOct-06-2014 1:27 PMI wouldn't think the Erectopus would win easily at all.
Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusOct-06-2014 1:45 PMIt could win, but not all the time.
This is off topic. I'm done commenting unless someone else comes on and adds a point about Cerato vs Allo that wasn't already covered.
Sci-Fi King25
MemberAllosaurusOct-06-2014 2:20 PMI'd say 60-40% Allo.
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Lord Vader
MemberTyrannosaurus RexOct-06-2014 3:20 PMI'm gonna say 60-40 Cerato for reasons previously stated.
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