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MemberCompsognathusSep-06-2014 1:28 PMTorvosaurus
Torvosaurus is a genus of megalosaurid that lived approximately 153 to 148 million years ago during the later part of the Jurassic Period in what is now Colorado and Portugal. It contains two currently recognized species,Torvosaurus tanneri and Torvosaurus gurneyi.In 1979 the type species Torvosaurus tanneri was named. T. tanneri was a large, heavily built, bipedal carnivore, that could grow to a length of about 10 m (32.8 ft). T. tanneri was among the largest carnivores of its time, together with Epanterias (which may have actually been a large individual of Allosaurus) and Saurophaganax. Specimens referred to Torvosaurus gurneyi were initially claimed to be up to eleven metres long, but later shown to be smaller. Based on bone morphology Torvosaurus is thought to have had short but very powerful arms.
Daspletosaurus
Daspletosaurus is a genus of tyrannosaurid that lived in western North America between 77 and 74 million years ago, during the Late Cretaceous Period. Fossils of the only namedspecies (D. torosus) were found in Alberta, although other possible species from Alberta and Montana await description. Including theseundescribed species makes Daspletosaurus the most species-rich genus of tyrannosaur.While very large by the standard of modern predators, Daspletosaurus was not the largest tyrannosaurid. Adults could reach a length of 8–9 meters (26–30 ft) from snout to tail. Mass estimates have centered around 2.5 tonnes(2.75 short tons) but have ranged between 1.8 and 3.8 tonnes (2.0 and 4.1 short tons).
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MemberCompsognathusSep-06-2014 1:35 PMi ssay torvosaurus wins since they are similar in size and robustticity. but the torvo has much more useabale arms. 55_45 in favor of torvo IMO. ith woukd be a good fight.
Lord Vader
MemberTyrannosaurus RexSep-06-2014 2:04 PMI say 55-45 Das. They were similar in size, Das was most likely a tad more robust (Tyrannosaurs were fairly heavily built compared to other carnivores), Torvo may have been more agile, but a slight agility advantage probably won't matter when your opponent is about the same size as you, and it would have to be real up close and personal for Torvo to use it's arms.
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MemberCompsognathusSep-06-2014 2:05 PMyes and when these to beast duke it out the torvo will utilize his hugley powerful arms.
Lord Vader
MemberTyrannosaurus RexSep-06-2014 2:08 PMYeah, I doubt its arms would have been much help. Refer to the image in post. Even if Torvo was biting Das, the arms were too short to have been of any use.
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Tyrant king
MemberCompsognathusSep-06-2014 2:15 PMvisual refrences are not reliable, and it could rear up a bit and reak havoc on das's face. before you say it couldnt rear up. it could though it wouldnt like it. but it is for a short period of time. and torvo's jaws would deal an equal amount of damage.
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MemberCompsognathusSep-06-2014 2:15 PMTorvo has the weight advantage here, really.
Here's a neat comparison i just found of the two..
Torvo has the size advantage(height and weight) while the Tyrannosaur has a lethal set of jaws. But, Torvo likely had jaws that high jaw mechanic efficiency, close to that of the tyrannosaurs in fact. Dr. Sakamoto's papers revealed that megalosauroids may have a greater mechanical advantage in their skulls than tyrannosaurids, which could mean that Torvosaurus' bite could have surpassed Tyrannosaurus' bite. That would be the fabled 12 meter portuguesespecimen though, and not T.Tanneri or T. Gurneyi. We don't really have a base for megalosaur bite force, but i'd say it would be a correspondingly large amount pound for pound as in the Tyrannosaurs.
~8 meter T. Tanneri would have bite force around 2.5-3 tons
~ 10 meter T. Gurneyi would have a bite force of 3 - 5 tons
Daspletosaurus Torusus, scaling down from Tyrannosaurus(in this case i'm using a 9 meter Das) would have a bite force of Approximately 3 tons
Both predators lived with equally sized contemporary theropods, but the bigger and more massive Torvo should take this 65-35
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Tyrant king
MemberCompsognathusSep-06-2014 2:19 PMi didnt even know that, thanks carno now i think torvo quite easily wins due to size and strength adantage. 70-300 favor of torvo.
Lord Vader
MemberTyrannosaurus RexSep-06-2014 2:27 PMI see. Yeah, Das is screwed. 65-35 Torvo. It was simply too much weight for Das to take on.
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Tyrant king
MemberCompsognathusSep-06-2014 2:29 PMwhat do you guys think about the fight if it was at parity? i say 50-50 if not 51-49 in torvos favor.
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MemberCompsognathusSep-06-2014 2:31 PMAt parity, Tyrannosaurs do pretty well against other theropods
I'd say 60-40 in favor of das, but that's at parity
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MemberCompsognathusSep-06-2014 2:33 PMI think that to. but im sure megalosaurids do preety good agasinst other predators at parity.
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MemberAllosaurusSep-06-2014 2:39 PMI would say Torvo would win judging by all the facts Carno gave right here in this discussion. You know, I was considering starting my own debate series...
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MemberCompsognathusSep-06-2014 2:43 PMi was to but i was to nervous to start it up.
it was called dinosaur fight debate.
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MemberAllosaurusSep-06-2014 3:23 PMI'd say 50-50%.
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MemberCompsognathusSep-07-2014 2:04 PMTorvosaurus takes it 60-40.
At parity Das 55-45
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