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Carnotaurus Sastrei

Carnotaurus is a large genus of Abelisaur that lived in South America during the Late Cretaceous period, between about 72 and 69.9 million years ago. The only species is Carnotaurus sastrei. Known from a single well-preserved skeleton, it is one of the best-understood theropods from the Southern Hemisphere. Carnotaurus is a derived member of the Abelisauridae, a group of large theropods that occupied the large predatorial niche in the southern Landmasses of Gondwana during the late Cretaceous. The phylogenetic relations of Carnotaurus are uncertain; it may have been closer to either Majungasaurus or Aucasaurus.Carnotaurus was a lightly built, bipedal predator, measuring 8 to 9 m (26 to 30 ft) in length and weighing at least 1 metric ton (0.98 long ton; 1.1 short tons). As a theropod, Carnotaurus was highly specialized and distinctive. It had thick horns above the eyes, a feature unseen in all other carnivorous dinosaurs, and a very deep skull sitting on a muscular neck. Carnotaurus was further characterized by small, vestigial forelimbs and long and slender hindlimbs. The skeleton is preserved with extensive skin impressions, showing a mosaic of small, non-overlapping scales measuring approximately 5 mm in diameter. The mosaic was interrupted by large bumps that lined the sides of the animal, and there are no hints of feathers.

Ceratosaurus Dentisulcatus

Ceratosaurus was a large genus of ceratosaur from the Late Jurassic Period, found in the Morrison Formation of North America, and the Lourinhã Formation of Portugal. It was characterized by large jaws with blade-like teeth, a large, blade-like horn on the snout and a pair of hornlets over the eyes. The forelimbs were powerfully built but very short. The bones of the sacrum were fused (synsacrum) and the pelvic bones were fused together and to this structure (Sereno 1997) (i.e. similar to modern birds). A row of small osteoderms was present down the middle of the back.The type specimen was an individual about 18 feet (5.5 m) long; it is not clear whether this animal was fully grown.David B. Norman (1985) estimated that the maximum length of Ceratosaurus was 20 ft (6.1 m), an assessment supported by a particularly large Ceratosaurus specimen from the Cleveland-Lloyd Quarry (UMNH 5728), discovered in the mid-1960s, which may have been 22 ft (6.7 m) long assuming similar proportions to the holotype

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What about ceratosaurs huge teeth and powerful arms? That surly will take a toll on carnotaurs.

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Studies show that Carnotaurus was capable of quick bites, but not strong ones. This is perfect for capturing small, fast prey, but not good for dealing with large animals. This would line up with it's speed, suggesting a fast theropod like Carnotaurus could run down quick prey, snap his jaws quickly, and grab it.

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Still not factoring in the horns, speed and strength... 

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Carnotaurs horns wre for show most likely. Bigger Horton the better the male.

alot like ceratosaurus horns.......

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Speed doesn't help as much as you think it does in a fight . 

Its strength will be useless.

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Probably not... Ceratosaurus horns a thin and delicate while Carnotaurus horns are robust sturdy. A good feature for combat.

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I don't think Carnotaurus was stronger than Ceratosaurus. It was an animal built for speed. Fast animals like Carnotaurus, cheetahs, Deltadromeus, etc. aren't all that powerful. Speed is really only helpful if the Carnotaurus is chasing something, not fighting. Agility would be helpful, but I think both dinosaurs had a similar agility. Carnotaurus had long legs, but Ceratosaurus was a bit smaller. It probably evened out in that regard.

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really.... Speed, aglity and strenght don't help in a fight... I think this is a comedy club not a debate.

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How would it not be stornger?? So what it's faster! It's heavier and just as robust!

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They don't. Cheetah vs lion, deltadromeus vs spinoosaurus, ceratosaurs vs carnotaurs. Carnotaurs was built for speed not strength. Ceratosaurs was the opposite.

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I said agility and strength help, speed doesn't. Not in a direct confrontation at least.

 

 

That Ceratosaurus looks pretty robust to me. That Carnotaurus has a less heavily built body.

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TK, your puting up arguments for animals SMALLER. Carnotaurus is BIGGER. 

 

RexFan, they look the same to me.... Plus Carno has a decent weight advantage.

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It could rear up a bit and bite the neck. It doesn't have arms like other predators so it won't be able to slash or grip at the ceratosaurs who is killing it.

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Click this link for a good side by side comparison...

 

http://dinosaurs.findthebest.com/compare/61-63/Carnotaurus-vs-Ceratosaurus

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They look tha same to me...

 

Don't want to break this to ya but, that's not C. Dentisulcatus Or is just a wrong weight estimate.

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Even if caenotaurus could use his horns Wich I highly doubt, it is not going to kill the ceratosaurs quickly. The bites will only do minor damage. 

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Or it's more general for the entire genre. Ceratosaurus has weight estimates between 900-4,000 pounds. This one happens to be at 3,000 pounds.

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But, were not talking about its family were talking about C. Dentisulcatus.

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And C. Dentisulcatus was about the same weight as Carnotaurus. Both weighed about 1 ton.

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Oh, TK... Those horns will do some serous damage... A 40-50 mph hour charge will break bone, or knock out. 

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