Carnosaur
MemberCompsognathusSep-03-2014 8:48 AMCarnotaurus Sastrei
Carnotaurus is a large genus of Abelisaur that lived in South America during the Late Cretaceous period, between about 72 and 69.9 million years ago. The only species is Carnotaurus sastrei. Known from a single well-preserved skeleton, it is one of the best-understood theropods from the Southern Hemisphere. Carnotaurus is a derived member of the Abelisauridae, a group of large theropods that occupied the large predatorial niche in the southern Landmasses of Gondwana during the late Cretaceous. The phylogenetic relations of Carnotaurus are uncertain; it may have been closer to either Majungasaurus or Aucasaurus.Carnotaurus was a lightly built, bipedal predator, measuring 8 to 9 m (26 to 30 ft) in length and weighing at least 1 metric ton (0.98 long ton; 1.1 short tons). As a theropod, Carnotaurus was highly specialized and distinctive. It had thick horns above the eyes, a feature unseen in all other carnivorous dinosaurs, and a very deep skull sitting on a muscular neck. Carnotaurus was further characterized by small, vestigial forelimbs and long and slender hindlimbs. The skeleton is preserved with extensive skin impressions, showing a mosaic of small, non-overlapping scales measuring approximately 5 mm in diameter. The mosaic was interrupted by large bumps that lined the sides of the animal, and there are no hints of feathers.
Ceratosaurus Dentisulcatus
Ceratosaurus was a large genus of ceratosaur from the Late Jurassic Period, found in the Morrison Formation of North America, and the Lourinhã Formation of Portugal. It was characterized by large jaws with blade-like teeth, a large, blade-like horn on the snout and a pair of hornlets over the eyes. The forelimbs were powerfully built but very short. The bones of the sacrum were fused (synsacrum) and the pelvic bones were fused together and to this structure (Sereno 1997) (i.e. similar to modern birds). A row of small osteoderms was present down the middle of the back.The type specimen was an individual about 18 feet (5.5 m) long; it is not clear whether this animal was fully grown.David B. Norman (1985) estimated that the maximum length of Ceratosaurus was 20 ft (6.1 m), an assessment supported by a particularly large Ceratosaurus specimen from the Cleveland-Lloyd Quarry (UMNH 5728), discovered in the mid-1960s, which may have been 22 ft (6.7 m) long assuming similar proportions to the holotype
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MemberCompsognathusSep-03-2014 2:05 PMI said agility and strength help, speed doesn't. Not in a direct confrontation at least.
That Ceratosaurus looks pretty robust to me. That Carnotaurus has a less heavily built body.
Hiphopananomus
MemberCompsognathusSep-03-2014 2:07 PMTK, your puting up arguments for animals SMALLER. Carnotaurus is BIGGER.
RexFan, they look the same to me.... Plus Carno has a decent weight advantage.
"Somewhere on this island is the greatest predator that ever lived. Second greatest predator must take him down."Roland Tembo"
"Jurassic park: The Lost World"
Tyrant king
MemberCompsognathusSep-03-2014 2:08 PMIt could rear up a bit and bite the neck. It doesn't have arms like other predators so it won't be able to slash or grip at the ceratosaurs who is killing it.
Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusSep-03-2014 2:08 PMClick this link for a good side by side comparison...
http://dinosaurs.findthebest.com/compare/61-63/Carnotaurus-vs-Ceratosaurus
Hiphopananomus
MemberCompsognathusSep-03-2014 2:10 PMThey look tha same to me...
Don't want to break this to ya but, that's not C. Dentisulcatus Or is just a wrong weight estimate.
"Somewhere on this island is the greatest predator that ever lived. Second greatest predator must take him down."Roland Tembo"
"Jurassic park: The Lost World"
Tyrant king
MemberCompsognathusSep-03-2014 2:11 PMEven if caenotaurus could use his horns Wich I highly doubt, it is not going to kill the ceratosaurs quickly. The bites will only do minor damage.
Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusSep-03-2014 2:11 PMOr it's more general for the entire genre. Ceratosaurus has weight estimates between 900-4,000 pounds. This one happens to be at 3,000 pounds.
Hiphopananomus
MemberCompsognathusSep-03-2014 2:12 PMBut, were not talking about its family were talking about C. Dentisulcatus.
"Somewhere on this island is the greatest predator that ever lived. Second greatest predator must take him down."Roland Tembo"
"Jurassic park: The Lost World"
Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusSep-03-2014 2:13 PMAnd C. Dentisulcatus was about the same weight as Carnotaurus. Both weighed about 1 ton.
Hiphopananomus
MemberCompsognathusSep-03-2014 2:14 PMOh, TK... Those horns will do some serous damage... A 40-50 mph hour charge will break bone, or knock out.
"Somewhere on this island is the greatest predator that ever lived. Second greatest predator must take him down."Roland Tembo"
"Jurassic park: The Lost World"
Allotitan
MemberCompsognathusSep-03-2014 2:14 PMHow big is C. Ingens
When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade. Tell life I don't want you're damn lemons, and then squeeze them into life's eyes!
Tyrant king
MemberCompsognathusSep-03-2014 2:14 PMIt's a parity battle then. In that case ceratosaurs wins easily.
Allotitan
MemberCompsognathusSep-03-2014 2:15 PMHPP that's what I said
When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade. Tell life I don't want you're damn lemons, and then squeeze them into life's eyes!
Hiphopananomus
MemberCompsognathusSep-03-2014 2:17 PMNot easily TK but probably 51-49 for cerato but, were not talking about "at parity".
Allo, great minds think alike ;)
"Somewhere on this island is the greatest predator that ever lived. Second greatest predator must take him down."Roland Tembo"
"Jurassic park: The Lost World"
Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusSep-03-2014 2:18 PMA 40-50 mile an hour charge could injure the Carnotaurus, but whatever.
C. ingens was roughly the same size as Dentisulcatus, maybe slightly bigger.
Ceratosaurus Advantages-
Teeth
Stronger Bite
Arms
Agility
Carnotaurus Advantages-
Horns(I'll give it to you if I must)
Speed
Size(?)
Seems to me like the Ceratosaurus has the Carnotaurus outmatched.
Hiphopananomus
MemberCompsognathusSep-03-2014 2:18 PMCarno, can still charge face to face...
"Somewhere on this island is the greatest predator that ever lived. Second greatest predator must take him down."Roland Tembo"
"Jurassic park: The Lost World"
Hiphopananomus
MemberCompsognathusSep-03-2014 2:19 PMCerato, probably wouldn't have aglity... It's legs aren't bulit like Carnos plus Carno IMO has strengh on its side as well.
so 4-3 Carno.
"Somewhere on this island is the greatest predator that ever lived. Second greatest predator must take him down."Roland Tembo"
"Jurassic park: The Lost World"
Tyrant king
MemberCompsognathusSep-03-2014 2:22 PM4-2 cerato it is certainly more agile then carno and its horns aren't even that useful.
Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusSep-03-2014 2:22 PMA Carnotaurus wasn't all that heavily built. It's often over done in popular media.
Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusSep-03-2014 2:25 PMWell, as I said in the SB, I'm out. We can either leave this at a stalemate(which is good enough for me) or we can continue later.
Hiphopananomus
MemberCompsognathusSep-03-2014 2:28 PMTK, I'll explain,for you one last time...
Carnotaurus is just as robust and heavier, so it's STORNGER.
As for aglity, while Ceratosaurus is smaller , it's legs aren't meant for speed,which is part of were aglity comes from.
also I've never said Carno was heavily bulit, and that's cause it's not but, Ceratosaurus is also not heavily bulit..
"Somewhere on this island is the greatest predator that ever lived. Second greatest predator must take him down."Roland Tembo"
"Jurassic park: The Lost World"
Silver_Falcon
MemberCompsognathusSep-03-2014 5:58 PMWait, just realized that carno could kick cerato in the face... I sincerely don't know now... 50/50 IMO
Here, have a waffle (-'.')-#
Silver_Falcon
MemberCompsognathusSep-03-2014 6:23 PMTrue, but 50/50 is 50/50 :P
Here, have a waffle (-'.')-#
Carnosaur
MemberCompsognathusSep-03-2014 6:37 PMThe skull of Carnotaurus hasn't been put through the ringer, those horns look like a more sexually selective characteristic more then anything else.
I haven't seen anything to suggest they were used in 'ramming' as the sort you are suggesting, can you point me in the direction of something like that HHP?
Nature doesn't deceive us; it is we who deceive ourselves.
