Dynamosaurus Imperiosus/ Raptorexxx 700
MemberCompsognathusAug-24-2014 12:09 PMBefore we start : Being Egyptian I don't have a main English Accent but I particularely like to use American, British, and Scottish. And i would like you to read this in a British accent (simply because it will sound more Awesome). :) Thanks
Well it's been a long time since my last post (but considering that i have been on vacation in hurghada it is understandable) however this is an idea i had from a long time but I always thought it would be too controversial. Given that most of you are doing it in some way or another i will start the series and i hope that it's longer than most of my rather short series.
The idea is that i will share one of my theories and hope that you will dabate it politely and carefully. Basically no cursing or fighting with others. Anyway let'start:
The first topic will be Spinosaurus , Torvosaurus , and Tyrannosaurus. I will do this in order to put the most sensitive topics out of the Way, so we will start with....(drumbeat)....Spinosaurus Aegypticus.
Spinosaurus Aegypticus:
Length: 52-58 ft ( 16-17.5 m )
Weight: 6.8-10.2 tons
Height: 17-22 ft ( 5.6-6.2 m )
Bite Force: 2200-4700 PSI
Well most of you consider Spinosaurus to be the longest yet not the largest carnivorous dinosaur being 50-60 ft and weighing 6-8 tons, and for a while so did I, but I found something strange while doing my calculations: if an 11.5 m Suchomimus weighed 4.2 then a 17.5 m Spinosaurus would weigh 6.8 tons, but I forgot something. Exponential growth. There is a rule in science that if an animal grows in length its size will increase exponentially not relatively. meaning that a 17.5 m spinosaurus would weigh between 9.3-10.2 tons a little bit more than the 9 tons everyone agrees on but that would make it the third largest carnivorous dinosaur (not the fourth) just behind the 10.8 Carcharodontosaurus and the MASSIVE 11.8 ton Tyrannosaurus ( Read all about next time).
Another aspect of Spinosaurus that I wanted to talk about is, its life. While most of you know that Spinosaurus ate fish and lived part of it's life in water, some of you may not know that it actually spent 69% of it's life in water, Meaning that it could swim...fast. Some calculations put the monster at a swimming speed of 13-17 miles per hour...a crocodile can swim 20 miles per hour. It can also run at about 28 miles per hour, fast for an animal 2 and a half times larger than an elephant. Another part of its mysterious life was its sail, while some see it as a kind of display others see it as temp. regulation. Well I see it as a kind of display, as let's face it that thing is unmistakable for anything else and I could see it being the most brightly coloured thing in the dinosaur world ( seeing as to how they are related to birds such as peacocks and parrots). so I can imagine a Spinosaurus looking like this in fact:
But there is a time when the Sail will easily be considered a liability, if the wind is against the sail it will deeply limit the Spinosaurus's agility and movement.
and these are my thoughts about Spinosaurus please debate in the comments :)
Hiphopananomus
MemberCompsognathusAug-24-2014 12:17 PMI don't agree with your spino weight or length but, otherwise I agree with most of what is said.
"Somewhere on this island is the greatest predator that ever lived. Second greatest predator must take him down."Roland Tembo"
"Jurassic park: The Lost World"
Dynamosaurus Imperiosus/ Raptorexxx 700
MemberCompsognathusAug-24-2014 12:17 PMthanks super predator but what are your thoughts about Spino
Dynamosaurus Imperiosus/ Raptorexxx 700
MemberCompsognathusAug-24-2014 12:19 PMWhy HPP? did you read what I said about The exponential thing
Hiphopananomus
MemberCompsognathusAug-24-2014 12:19 PMI did but, I dont agree with it.
"Somewhere on this island is the greatest predator that ever lived. Second greatest predator must take him down."Roland Tembo"
"Jurassic park: The Lost World"
Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusAug-24-2014 12:20 PMNot bad. I estimate Spino at 14-17 meters long and 5-8 tons myself.
You also mentioned a 4.2 ton Suchomimus at 11 meters. I myself put Suchomimus at 3.5 tons tops, so that's probably where are difference of opinion begins.
Dynamosaurus Imperiosus/ Raptorexxx 700
MemberCompsognathusAug-24-2014 12:22 PMOhh, but a Suchmimus would be 3.5 tons at 10 m not 11 and as I said Exponential growth
Dynamosaurus Imperiosus/ Raptorexxx 700
MemberCompsognathusAug-24-2014 12:22 PMBut HPP you have to give me a reason is it what Rexfan said?
Carnosaur
MemberCompsognathusAug-24-2014 12:23 PMabout exponential growth, that was a point i never factored when i covered it in "the size of.." series, but you make a good point with it. IMO, the 6 ton estimates thrown around by nat geo seemed way to low for a 15-17 meter long theropod, even Bahariasaurus ingens would weigh 5.5 - 6 tons at that length, and it's a very gracile theropod.
Spinosaurus had no need to have drab coloration, as it spent most of its life at the waters edge. It didn't need to set ambushes, nor did it need to hide itself from predators(maybe the young, but that's a different story.
The whole sail thing, i don't really know what the spines anchored. They aren't anything like the spines of dimetrodon, yet aren't like the spines that anchor the fatty hump of a bison. a 6 foot tall ridge like that of Suchomimus seems to be rather unlikely as well...and i don't know of anyone suggesting alternatives, nor can i think of any
Out of curiosity, what do you think of Paul Serenos' new spinosaurus mount? with the oddly proportioned legs and arms, it just seems off to me..
Nature doesn't deceive us; it is we who deceive ourselves.
JRR
MemberCompsognathusAug-24-2014 12:24 PMI Agreee with rexfan, PS rex you missed a lot yesterday and today
Hiphopananomus
MemberCompsognathusAug-24-2014 12:24 PMI gave you a reason.
I put spino at 5.5-8 tons and 15-16.5 meters. Also I put Suchomimus at 3-3.5 tons ussualy 3.
"Somewhere on this island is the greatest predator that ever lived. Second greatest predator must take him down."Roland Tembo"
"Jurassic park: The Lost World"
Dynamosaurus Imperiosus/ Raptorexxx 700
MemberCompsognathusAug-24-2014 12:36 PMHPP: even with your 3 ton estimate for Suchomimus that would put YOUR Spinosaurus at 6-7 tons.
CARNOSAUR: I did see it, and it does seem a bit wierd ( espacially the arms ) but i can understand why he did make the legs so long, maybe they were like a crane's in order to stand in deep water.
Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusAug-24-2014 12:42 PMThe length of the type specimen of Suchomimus, a POSSIBLE subadult, was initially estimated at 11 m (36 ft). In 2007, its weight was estimated at between 2.6 and 5.2 tonnes. In 2010, Gregory S. Paul gave lower estimations of 9.5 metres and 2.5 tons. A 3.5 ton weight estimate for an 11 meter Suchomimus isn't that "crazy."
Carnosaur
MemberCompsognathusAug-24-2014 12:46 PMwe should be getting some sort of word by the end of the year...i always envisioned spino as a giant crane...
anways, Upscaling from a 11 meter, 3.5 ton Sucho would bring ol' spino into the ball park of ~8/9 tons, 16 meters long.
My thing with the new mount is it looks just plain bizarre, i mean look at this skeletal:
Compared to the Sereno mount:
Nature doesn't deceive us; it is we who deceive ourselves.
Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusAug-24-2014 12:47 PMThat size is pretty close to my estimates then.
Carnosaur
MemberCompsognathusAug-24-2014 12:48 PMi remember at one point you estimated spino at 4 tons
Nature doesn't deceive us; it is we who deceive ourselves.
Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusAug-24-2014 12:51 PMHa. 16 meters long and 4-6 tons were my early estimates. Spino's length range for me has increased to 17 meters, though I added 14 meters in the lower spectrum. I upped the minimum weight by a ton and the max by 2 tons.
