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Epanterias(Allosaurus) Amplexus vs Carcharodontosaurus Saharicus

 

Epanterias

Epanterias is a genus of allosaurid from the Jurassic period of Colorado. It was described by Edward Drinker Cope in 1878. The type speciesis Epanterias amplexus. This genus is based on AMNH 5767, parts of three vertebrate, a coracoid, and a Metatarsal. Although Cope thought it was a sauropod  it was later shown to be a theropod. Gregory S. Paul reassessed the material as pertaining to a large species of Allosaurus in 1988 (which he classified as Allosaurus amplexus) Other authors have gone further and considered E. amplexus as simply a large individual of Allosaurus fragilis. In 2010, Gregory S. Paul and Kenneth Carpenter noted that the E. amplexus specimen comes from higher in the Morrison Formation than the type specimen of Allosaurus fragilis, and is therefore "probably a different taxon". 

Carcharodontosaurus 

 

Carcharodontosaurusis a genus of carcharodontosaurid  during the  mid- Cretaceous period.It is currently known to include two species, C.saharicus andC.iguidensis, which were among the larger theropods, as large as or slightly bigger than Tyrannosaurus and possibly slightly larger than Giganotosaurus, but not quite as large as Spinosaurus. At the time being, it appears C.Saharicus is larger then C.Iguidensis.

 

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I was jokeing to guys

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The fossil evidence shows epanterias is  a decently sized animal(yangchuanosaurus sized or larger) Allow me to demonstrate...

Basing off of A. Fragilis, A fully complete epanterias skull would measure ~129cm(4.2 feet)

 Greg Paul estimated 845 mm (33.3 in) for a skull belonging to an individual he estimates at 7.9 m (26 ft) long. From there, it is a simple matter of upscaling.

First, the 1:8 ratio

4.24 x 8 yields ~ 33.6 feet, which is near the maximum size thought possible for A. Fragilis.Scaling up from an A. Fragilis with a 33.3 in skull, we get an Epanterias measuring 40.12 feet in length.Using "big al" to scale for weight, the holotype for Epanterias would weigh 4/5 tons.

Still, What Epanterias is up against is a 7 ton, 43 foot long more evolved version of itself.Carcharodontosaurus would probably win this comfortably, something like 70/30.

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Lots of numbers

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Carnosaur.. You gave a size simeler to mine and we had the same odds. So didn't underestimate anything... 

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i know, lol i had gone into that thinking the allosaur would be larger then the math showed it to be...was probably thinking of saurophaganax...i'll edit that first part out :P

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Epet is more agile and has hatchet bite.

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Carchara is more robust and has shearing flesh bite.

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Allosaurus fragilis is the only species that i know of that has had the hatchet bite atributed to it. Why? why not A. Europaeus? A. Tendaguruensis? A.  Jimmadensi? or even the related taxa, like Yangchuanosaurus?

Granted, Allosaurus Amplexus would be more agile, but it is at a severe(4,000+ pounds) disadvantage. Carchy also has a more formidable set of jaws, with a longer reach to them( 1.5 meter skull vs 1.2 meter skull.) 

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Carcharodontosaurus FTW! :D

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I think a allosaurid would have a hatchet bite twice their weight 

am I  right??

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more or less....Allo had a pound for pound weaker bite force then that of a juvenile rex

Hatchet jaw function is one purposed because of this, but did allo really need a high bite force? short answer - no.

It had slicing dentition, and these were designed for cutting deep into the flesh of its prey, creating gruesome yet effective bites. These bites would lead to blood loss, ultimately killing the prey animal. So, Allosaurids had no need for a high bite force, as they had their own killing techniques.

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i agre

 

Just kidding, good point. Guess first thing I should maybe learn about dinosaurs is bite force.

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I sorta agree carno.

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Here's a pretty interesting paper done recently(2010) going into great detail on theropod jaw mechanics and bite force. It might bore you a bit, but it is indeed rather interesting!

Theropod jaw mechanics paper

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@S-P: Kind of agree? what do you disagree on?

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I just think a 2 ton allosau would have a 4 ton hatchet bite 

and that paper is very interesting.

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I'd say 60-40 Carchar. It was larger, more robust, and had a heck of a bite compared to Epanterias. 

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I'm going with Carchar on this fight, hope its a nice fight! My second installment of T-C:K vs K will be up shortly!

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I'm going Carchar as much as I love Epanterias, a car char would be too much. I have 60-40 odds in favor of Carchar, it had the power and strength, while the Epanterias may use its agilty to out maneuver  the carcharodotosaurus. And make it bleed to death. Once again 60-40 Carchar

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Carcharodontosaurus wins this in my opinion. A (possible)14-15m predator is intimiating enough haha. Same goes for weights. Estimates go up to 8-13 tons.

 

User Hiphop, todays animals fight on instinct not intelligence. Intelligence comes to play when hunting for food. Look at Crows for example.

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