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MemberAllosaurusAug-17-2014 6:12 PMHello everybody! First discussion I haven’t made for a while. For all you newcomers here, I am a regular here but was gone for the past month on a trip, so you probably didn’t notice me. Soon I will have been here officially for a year. If you wish to know more about me, just PM me.
Now onto the discussion.
Today I will be talking about how the world of Jurassic Park would have been like if there was a 3rd book written by Michael Crichton. Now when I say the world of Jurassic Park I will be referring the BOOKS had set the world of Jurassic Park. So if you haven’t read the first two books and you do not want spoilers if you plan to read them, then STOP HERE AND TAKE HEED TO THE SPOILER WARNING.
Also, before I officially begin, for all of you people who wonder why there was not a 3rd book, it was due to that Michael Crichton passed away. I read Wikipedia and people went searching everywhere to see if he even had sticky notes lying around for a 3rd novel, but it was never to be. Even then the 3rd movie came out before he could make one, so he felt that it was just better off without one. A big salutation to a great man who spawned off an amazing franchise.
Also, remember, this is the realm of the books we are talking about.
First of all, I am going to narrow down characters who wouldn’t be able to appear in the 3rd novel.
John Hammond- Okay, for those of you who read the books know that this asshole died while cursing his grandchildren by damning them while slowly being eaten by Compies, so we won’t be seeing him.
Henry Wu- Okay this guy is the Asian doctor we see in the first movie in the white suit explain about the raptors to Ellie and Alan, and is going to be in Jurassic World, just saying this so you guys know who I am talking about. Well in the books he is viciously mauled by Velociraptor, because for some reason this bastard opens the door when the raptors near him, and they jump and grab him, and he dies.
Gennaro- Although he survived in the first book, he dies of dysentery, as stated in The Lost World. Basically he died of excessive diarrhea. Yeah, that was awkward to type.
Lewis Dodgson- We all remember that famous scene where Nedry yells “We got Dodgson everybody, we got Dodgson! See? Nobody cares!” Well in the books he is a psychotic douche, and he even attempts to murder Sarah Harding, who in the end turns back the favor. He ends up become a Happy Meal for the little Rexes.
Truly Adorable.
Eddie Carr- Unfortunately died by being eaten by raptors.
Other Charcters- Howard King, Baselton, Ed, Dennis Nedry, some other charcters that are not known to be dead.
Now we can officially start!
However, let us briefly review of what happened in each novel.
Jurassic Park
-Compies make it to mainland, reports of babies in small villages in the Philippines dying. Many sightings of small lizards is what the Compies were called.
-Alan Grant, Ian Malcolm, Ellie Sattler, Donald Gennaro are sent to the island for inspection.
-Two children Tom and Lex are called supposedly for a “distraction” from their parent’s divorce. It is later known that Hammond brought them so they could convince Gennaro to not shut down the park.
-Dennis screws everything up, park shuts down, T-Rex attacks, not also to mention Ian Malcolm helps them figure out there were actually dinosaurs breeding all along right under their noses, as expected of Ian
-People die, survivors escape by helicopter
-Isla Nublar is nuked, dinosaurs are thought to be dead
The Lost World
-Dinosaurs are described to have reached the mainland
-Richard Levine funds a project to research about strange animals being found on the island of Isla Sonar, he is expecting a Lost World, a reference to the novel The Lost World by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
-Drags along Thorne, Ian, 2 kids, and others along with him
-They find dinosaurs
-Dinosaurs be dinosaurs and when being a dinosaur, shit gets on cars, raptors jump on cages, dinosaurs be camouflaging, raptors be ramming through doors like Jack Nicholson, and people get eaten
-They escape, children survived but horribly traumatized most likely, especially for Arby
-Rest is unknown, which officially begins the discussion!
(I have said that about 3 times now, haven’t I?)
Now let us officially begin!!!!
So let’s just say the book takes place 5 years after The Lost World takes place. Dinosaurs could have already be on the verge of yet again becoming the dominant species, or maybe it could have turned into the world of How to Train Your Dragon, where everyone has their own pet dragon!!!
Just kidding, that wouldn’t happen. If you ever see a dinosaur, do not attempt to ride it. Unless you want to die.
Okay, so let’s see what would have happened to the companies. Well InGen, those assholes went bankrupt and got their laboratory was bought, so they went down.
With the rivaling company Biosyn, they could have done many things. They tried once by sending 3 men to capture some dinosaur eggs from the island, Dodgson, King, and some other guy. Of course by the end of The Lost World these assholes die, one gets eaten by an angry Rex, one has some raptors give him a back massage, and the other also gets eaten by the littleuns.
So here are many things that I believe would have most likely happened:
Some species of dinosaurs start to breed all over the world.
That’s right! Like I said, in The Lost World the dinosaurs already start to reach mainland.
As you remember, some of the dinosaurs like the Compies and the raptors reach Costa Rica.
So now we can assume that the raptors get smarter and take over the world and we can watch films like Rise of the Planet of the Raptors.
Okay, just kidding, they wouldn’t get THAT intelligent… I think. (We can only hope.)
Now where were we? Oh yes, well the raptors would most likely have spread to more areas, like Mexico!!! I believe that the raptors would spread left and right to both Mexico and South America.
The lower region of Mexico is a rainforest environment, as we can see here:
I believe that the raptors could survive off the Mexican Rainforests for a while, it has a good selection of prey for the raptors, compies, and other dinosaurs that make it to the island. The vegetation would suit well for the herbivores that happen to make it to the main land. Of course, there would be people living on the rainforest land, and they would be dead. Maybe they could kill some raptors but seeing how fast they flourished in the secret cave from Jurassic Park, they would be hard to completely kill off.
So we can assume that the raptors would of course go into deeper parts of Mexico and may even reach some of that American land… The compies certainly would, I believe, and they would become the most terrifying pest ever, second only to the cockroach… (Those mother*ckers always will be there won’t they? They survive everything…)
Of course likely this wouldn’t happen. Sure maybe some compies would be able to sneak into America, but raptors wouldn’t, even if they did make it across into America the military would surely take care of them. Might even kill people in the process but since when did that matter to the American military!? (Just a joke, no offence intended, if any.)
However, it do think the raptors would likely thrive in the lower region of Central America, due to the heavy rainforest regions. Raptors and other dinosaur that are able to make it to Costa Rica. Now, let’s analyze what would happen if the raptors, compies, etc. took a turn to the right into South America!
I don’t believe the raptors and dinosaurs would be able to live comfortably in the regions in the upper area of South America, mainly due to deforestation.
However, to the upper-right of Columbia is Venezuela, and I do believe the dinosaurs could live comfortably there.
In Ecuador, dinosaurs could live there since there are rainforests there.
Well, just found this image right now in Google Images, so I could have saved time if I had found this image EARLIER, but now we can see that the dinosaur would be able to live in a lot of regions in upper South America. Imagine the Brazilians and their faces when they are playing Futbol (Soccer) and then raptors jump on the field and begin to eat the players… They would become the best team known to man… After all, they have the qualities of a team, hunting coordination, they work together, and they would make a good team. Of course, they would obviously need a tougher referee.
Okay, back to the discussion. Okay, now that we have gotten that done, and by that I mean discussing the status of the dinosaurs, let’s move on to what the 3rd book may have been about.
Let’s officially start this discussion!
Oh yeah, one thing came about my mind that I forgot, the dinosaurs were made so that they could only eat off lysine-rich food, well in this thing let’s just say that they have adapted off that trait.
Wait wasn’t it built into their genetic code?
Well… Life finds a way…
But…
Shut up!
Geez just trying to help…
Sorry, talking to myself. Okay, now let’s officially start the discussion!
Got a sense of déjà vu there… Whatever.
Okay, Let’s officially-
You get what I mean.
Now many things could have happened… Characters could have passed away, wars could have broken out, the world may never know.
Now let me see what I personally think Jurassic Park lll could have been about.
Okay, so some douchebags working for Biosyn were sent to fetch some dinos, and they died, as stated earlier. Who knows, knowing humans, Biosyn may have sent more people to fetch some dinosaurs again, because Logix. After all, one of themes of Michael Crichton’s books is human stupidity.
And sometimes human literally never learn.
So let’s just say these assholes being assholes sent more people to fetch some Rexes, raptors, Sauropods, etc. I assume that eventually they do succeed with numerous losses of the idiots who work for this company, so let’s just say they finally have some of them dinosaurs. They celebrate, and they make plans on how to make money off these things. They try to open up a park.
Now let’s say some of the old JP characters come back to tell Biosyn of why that is a bad idea. Here let’s put it like this:
This is a very bad idea.
No it isn’t, we can be rich, John Hammond’s dream will finally come true!!!
You’re an idiot. Have you not seen what these things have done to people?!
Well you can’t stop me!!!
Fine, but life will find a way!
*Stuff happens
*Some asshole messes everything up, everyone is now in danger
*People on the “bad” side get eaten by dinosaurs
*Raptor Intelligence is mentioned and focused on at some point
*Few people on the “good” side get eaten, survive off whatever island they are on, escape, anthem plays
*Main villain dies at the end by death by raptor and death by Rex
*Public STILL only knows about the events of Jurassic Park as a mere rumor
*More reports about mysterious deaths in villages surrounding Costa Rica.
In all seriousness, this book might had had a fairly simple plot. Biosyn yet again tries to steal the Dinosaurs, but in the end the fail, the combination of human stupidity and defeat by people like Malcolm, Grant, Gennaro, etc. (For those of you who don’t know, Gennaro was determined to take down Jurassic Park in the book.)
However, if Crichton ever did make 3rd book, I am pretty sure he would try to make the book as realistic and original as possible. But it is hard to think what he would do, I mean after all, he was, no, is a great author, and it is very hard to think what would he do?
I am trying to think like the mastermind who created this whole franchise… Pretty damn hard.
My sister actually told me that she did some research and when Crichton wrote Jurassic Park, all of his colleagues hated him. And she found out way, because the book, characters like Malcolm, Ellie, Grant, Gennaro, Muldoon, etc. represent him, while the others like Dennis, Hammond, Wu, etc. represent his colleagues. He’s telling them they’re idiots, and I like to say it like this: It was Crichton’s way of flipping people off. Not by telling them, but just writing a book that tells someone that they’re an idiot. And to that, I salute to you Michael Crichton. Rest in Peace. You have honestly given me and others things to fascinate about, you made part of my childhood so nostalgic and my adolescence so fun, so excited about your franchise. It is sad to see that many people my age would rather read books like Twlight instead of reading books that came from people like you. Some people have even made fun of me for appreciating your franchise, but I don’t care for people like that. Before I was sad that you didn’t make 3rd book, but in light of recent discoveries for me, I fully respect your decision of not making a 3rd book. Thanks for everything.
Please comment if you enjoyed this and feel free to prove me wrong or think what you think would have happened!
One year here, hope to see what happens on these forums...
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Raptor-401
MemberAllosaurusAug-31-2014 7:17 PMThanks Matt. I am sure thought there would be a lot of raptors, as in the first book they were already 30 of them in a colony, plus the others.
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MemberTriceratopsSep-02-2014 9:32 AMYes there probably were a lot of raptors getting off the islands. I think it was a lucky accident Lex saw the raptors on the ship in the boat in the first place. I can only imagine how many animals got off before that, probably these animals that were part of the breeding stock actually. Plus there was also Isla Sorna, which apparently had even worse problems controlling breeding then Isla Nublar... given that the Rexes on Sorna were capable of breeding. So i would sasy that animals may have managed to get off both islands. Especially Sorna where the animals were let loose in the jungles with radio tags with the intention of retrieving later. But any animals born would not have radio tags nor would the staff be able to efficiently monitor breeding if any took place.
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MemberAllosaurusSep-02-2014 10:25 AMThe thing is, if you remember from the Lost World, the raptors weren't thriving due to behavior. If you remember the raptors from the first book were caring and well-organized. They even called each other for help, in a clever way, unlike the 3rd movie. The reason why is because they were sort of trained to behave and not attack one another, but in TLW they were let loose and had no control, and they're described as always attacking one another, even attacking the infants. They al had scars and their pack hunting failed most of the time due to them fighting with each other, which I found quite interesting. The T-Rexes were able to breed on Sorna, but had poor diet. They were given worse problems due to Hammond deciding to just let them loose, because they couldn't get them to live in incubators, so Hammond let Natural Selection take place, meaning the STrongest will Survive.
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Matt
MemberTriceratopsSep-02-2014 10:44 AMWell, there is one thing that makes me think that dinosaurs got off of Isla Sorna, and that is Dx. If you remember the conversation from the beginning of TLW novel?
"The Epidemiologists have been tracking some weird type of Encephalitis that seems to be on the increase...along the coast" (Marty)
"All the epidemiologists know is that is seems to affect primarily rural farmers: People who are around animals and livestock. And its a true encephalitis-splitting headaches, mental confusion, fever, delirium" (Marty)
"Seems to be self limited, lasts about three weeks" (Marty)
"You think that the encephalitis is related to these uh...aberrant forms?" (Levine)
"Lizards carry lots of viral diseases, they're a known vector" (Marty)
Then compare this with what happens to Levine at the end of the novel:
(Levine)-"One of the compys bit me." "I wouldn't worry, there may be a mild encephalitis but its usually just a headache" (Harding) "It takes a week Richard you'll be fine."
I think it is pretty good evidence that some Dx might have been on the mainland by the time of TLW when the park was already destroyed for four years already. Would throw an interesting twist if there was Dx on the mainland, and it would seem to imply Sorna animals reached the mainland.
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MemberAllosaurusSep-02-2014 2:38 PMThat is a very good observartion I didn't happen to notice now that you say it. The animals probably did get off the island, but the raptors may not be thriving, as their characteristic make them wild and unsuitable raptors, as stated in the book, they had no adults to teach them proper raptor behavior.
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MemberTriceratopsSep-02-2014 5:30 PMI think that there was probably both Sorna and Nublar raptors living on the mainland, possibly dropped offi n different times. The Nublar raptors might be more organized due to their hunting structure and that they have a pack structure that is significantly more stable.
The Sorna raptors however I believe may have grown more voracious and disorganized the longer they were left alone from the base population that were initially released with the radio tags. The sorna raptors might be the ones that would get found out and exterminated quickly...but remember the Nublar Raptors managed to stay hidden in the Nublar Waterworks for a period of an year to two years. An area that should have been a vital part of the island yet they were smart enough to stay out of reach of people or detection. So the Nublar raptors would have an advantage.
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MemberAllosaurusSep-02-2014 7:18 PMExactly, the Nublar raptors would thrive more, as you stated, they remained hidden, mostly due to the government hdiign it. DOesn't change the fact that they hid well. The Sorna raptors would most likely die out or just be exterminated, as you said.
In the end, the Nublar raptors would thrive, Sorna raptors, die out soon or just be a pack of wild unctrollable dogs.
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Matt
MemberTriceratopsSep-02-2014 10:28 PMIf you remember in the TLW novel, some of the animals were known already to be living, and were actively being hunted. I'll quote where Levine talks with Marty about that:
The Lost World
That's the official term for these specimens," Guitierrez said. "No one in the government is
willing to be more precise. It started about five years ago. A number of animals were discovered up in the mountains, near a remote agricultural station that was growing test varieties of soy beans."
"Soy beans," Levine repeated.
Guitierrez nodded. "Apparently these animals are attracted to beans, and certain grasses. The assumption is that they have a great need for the amino acid lysine in their diets. But nobody is really sure. Perhaps they just have a taste for certain crops - "
"Marty," Levine said. "I don't care if they have a taste for beer and pretzels. The only important question is: where did the animals come from?"
"Nobody knows," Guitierrez said.
Levine let that pass, for the moment. "What happened to those other animals?"
"They were all destroyed."
Yeah... Marty's dialogue would seem to indicate that it was Compys that were discovered but it could also be raptors that were discovered living there. The time of TLW is 1995, and JP was in 1989 in the novel universe. Implying that soon after the JP incident there was an effort to try and find the mainland dinosaurs. However they might not all be gone. Remember the earlier quote I made of encephalitis moving up the coast as said by Marty? That was made in TLW era, implying the survival of at least some of the Sorna animals. Whether that is compys or raptors, I can't say.
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MemberAllosaurusSep-03-2014 4:56 PMWell, you have to remember the last 2-3 pages of JP when Guiterrez tells Grant that the animals were going in a northwest-souteast migration, and only before Gennaro was saying the Raptors were only attracted to moving Northwest out of the island.
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MemberTriceratopsSep-03-2014 5:03 PMSo there is a possibility that the raptors could have been in and out of the area seasonally, at least the Nublar ones. So if you have Sorna ones doing seasonal migrations, then you will have reports on and off corresponding to the seasonal changes I believe. But the compys would probably cause reports year round although they would more easier for a healthy adult to ignore. Possibly like you said with the seasonal thing...it could be due to the seasonal migration happening around The Lost World time that the encephalitis/Dx outbreak occured again on the mainland at that time.
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MemberAllosaurusSep-03-2014 9:17 PMTrue true. The compys were getting reports, reports about poor, helpless infants being killed by "lizard-like creatures."
The Nulbar Raptors and Sorna raptors may have even fought. If you remember, in the first novel, the raptors were very caring to each other, they even called each other for help. When Grant, Ellie, and Gennaro enter the Raptor colony, they see the Raptors trianing the juveniles and infants. And when they go onto the island to look at the ship, the infants and juveniles are bing protected by the elder raptors.
THen there is the scene where Tim and Lex get cornered by 2 raptors in the hallway in the control room. They then throw the baby raptor to the adults, then the adults smell the raptor and then eat it. It is actually common for animals to do this, because the raptors were probably smellling it to see if it was form their 'tribe" so to speak, and they either didn't recognize it as a Velociraptor (Remember, it might have been one of the Raptors who failed the development process after cloning) or they didn't see it as part of their colony, so they ate it.
So the Soran Raptors and Nublar raptors would certainly be fighting, I believe, probably the Nublar ones winning most of the time since their chances of messing up their pack-hunting coordination would be little to none.
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MemberTriceratopsSep-03-2014 9:52 PMI can imagine that inter-territorial arguments between the two types of raptor might have easily taken place. The Nublar raptors would have the more established territory I imagine with their stronger pack structure. The Sorna raptors would probably be reduced to fringe habitat... Although I am thinking...
The raptor that they ate in the lab? Remember that nearly no dinos were actually being -grown- in the Nublar lab. Rather, Malcolm stated that the animals were probably shipped to Nublar from Sorna during a developmental stage. So it could have been an infant dinosaur that was shipped from Sorna at a very early age.
The raptors chasing the kids and Grant could have been from the wild population. After all, there is evidence of at least one of the wild population of bred dinosaurs that attacked someone-the infant dino that Grant Tranquilized in the maitenance tunnels. So they might have sensed that the animal was not from their tribe,, I agree...but it may have been that it was a wild born sensing a Sorna type.
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MemberAllosaurusSep-04-2014 4:56 PMWell, the raptors started to eat each other when Grant was in the lab because it died. It is commone practice among animals to eat their species after they die. Humans may consider it bizarre but it si quite common among the animal kingdom. Not that we should do it, but it is common for animals to do it.
In Site B, you remember at first they let the animals loose, and once they were ready, is when the babies were sent to Nublar. So yes, it may be possible that the baby was an extra from Sorna and instead of killing it they kept it like a pet dog. The raptors might have smelled it from being form a different region, as well.
In the end, I for one certainly do believe the Soran Raptors would just have a small territory, whiel the Nulbar Raptors would have a much more expanded territory and a more sophisticated colony.
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