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MemberCompsognathusAug-08-2014 11:01 AMThe relatively recent find of a tyrannosaur dubbed "King of Gore" got the paleontological word hyped. A new early tyrannosaur that shared the same characteristics of the late Tyrannosaurus and Tarbosaurus, and it was a pretty sizeable animal as well.
Just how big, exactly?
For starters, the type specimen for Lythronax is about 6.6-7.0 meters. The 8 meter estimates are based on the fact that the type specimen is thought to be a "nearly mature sub-adult. "
Scott Hartman's skeletal is shorter and overall smaller than his skeletal for 'Big Al'; an Allosaurus specimen in the region of 7.3 meters long and estimated to be 1.5 tonnes in weight by Bates et al. 2009.
I can't find any mention of an 8 meter estimate in the Plos ONE articlethat initially described this thing, so I suspect it was a media fabrication to begin with.
In the initial reports, the holotype of Lythronax argestes is approximately estimated at 6.8m long (tail ~52% TL), reconstructed as having a proportionally bigger torso and tail based on Bistahieversor.
How do you somehow come up with a 10 meter figure literally out of nowhere? It's all well and good saying "it's just an estimate", but estimates need to have some sort of basis, this has none.
Further, I can find no mention of the type specimen of Lythronax being a juvenile in the description paper - although the new Teratophoneus specimen is described as a sub-adult. in fact the general line of thinking seems to be that the Lythronax holotype was Sub-adult to young Adult - not a juvenile - since it was about 6.5-7 meters long. And most official sources report that it could grow to about ~8 meters(26.2 feet in length), and weight up to 2.5 tons(5,500 lbs). Which would be quite realistic for a sub-adult or young adult to do.
Let's to the math, and take a look at the skull. Shall we?
It was pretty big, but only by height. it had a very narrow skull by tyrannosaur standards. only flaring out at the base.
Going by the scale bar, the Holotype(sub-adult) had a skull roughly measuring 79 cm(2.591 feet)
2.591 x 8 yields ~ 20.72 feet in TBL(6.3 meters)
Now, let's take in to account that this thing was a sub-adult. Tyrannosaurid growth rates Show that this family hit a massive growth spurt right before reaching maturity. This is more noticeable in Tyrannosaurus, but pretty persistant throughout the other large bodied tyrannosaurs.
Lythronax shared a more common morphology with Daspletosaurus and Bistahieversor, rather then Gorgosaurus and Albertosaurus. Peaking at maturity, Daspletosaurus would weigh around 1700 kg(1.8 tons), before tanking off and reaching a weight of 2200 kg(2.4 tons) It's safe to say that The growth patterns of L. Argestes were similar, and that gives us a template.
The 9 meters is likely an inaccurate quote from a newspaper/report. All of the "official" scientific reports that I've seen on Lythronax agree on an adult length of about 7.3-8 meters (24-26 feet). Which also agrees with Scott Hartman's drawing comparing Lythronax with type specimens of Teratophoneus and Bistahieversor.
The holotype does appear to be a sub-adult animal, albeit very near maturity. It wasn't the biggest tyrannosaur, nor was it as big as the media and other sourced made it out to be, but it was a pretty sizeable animal.
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MemberCompsognathusAug-08-2014 11:07 AMInteresting post always thought Lythromax was 9 meters long at max.
i just did a fight on Mapusaurus and Lythronax
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MemberCompsognathusAug-08-2014 11:24 AMthought that a few months ago, but a 30 foot early tyrannosaur? i just didn't think it fit. The science behind it really paints a different picture
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MemberCompsognathusAug-08-2014 11:28 AMon carnivorafourm they go wit 30 feet so i just go with that
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MemberCompsognathusAug-08-2014 12:23 PMNot a bad post, I usually estimate it at 7-9 meters and 2-3 tons.
I do find your comment interesting. A 9 meter early tyrannosaur didn't seem right. This thing was only 80 million years old. That's not that early, especially compared to the 150 million year old Guanlong. Plus Sinotyrannus and Yutyrannus were even older and about 8-9 meters long. Just saying.
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MemberCompsognathusAug-08-2014 12:26 PMSinotyrannus was most likely an allosauroid from what i've read recently, but i meant in North America. Then i took into Account Siats was stalking around then, and that tyrannosaurs the size of Lythronax probably took the reigns from there....interesting stuff
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MemberCompsognathusAug-08-2014 12:28 PMEverything I've read points to Sinotyrannus being a proceratosaur(a primitive tyrannosaur). I've never seen anything that suggests otherwise.
Anyways, I guess my point is a large tyrannosaur living "only" 80 million years ago isn't that odd.