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Spinosaurus: The Internet's Most Overrated Dinosaur

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Spinosaurus: The Internet's Most Overrated Dinosaur

Yes, I do know this could piss some people off. No, I don't care how this is viewed.

 

Spinosaurus Aegyptiacus, perhaps the longest and tallest theropod to walk the Earth. At around sixty feet in length, almost twenty two feet in height, upwards of twenty tons in weight, wielding seven foot long arms with claws over a foot long, Spinosaurus seems like an unstoppable monstrosity. Not the case. We don't actually know how big the creature got.

Could it be over sixty feet long? Yes. Could it be over twenty tons in weight? Yes. Could it have seven plus foot long arms with claws over a foot long? Yes. Is this likely? Hell no! It's more like 99.999999999% not a flippin' chance in hell.

First discovered in the Sahara desert in 1912, Spinosaurus's very existence was proven by fragmentary remains that were in poor condition. Just the same, the bones were brought to Germany and looked at before being bombed in World War 2.

Average size estimates for Spinosaurus range anywhere from five to nine tons (scientific), to twelve plus tons (Spinosaurus fanboys). Let's say, by some fanboy miracle, Spinosaurus was over twelve tons in weight, it would likely be unstoppable in its time, as Carcharodontosaurus, a large theropod that lived alongside it, has no fanboys putting it at freakishly (not to mention unreasonably) large.

I will say, quite a dinosaur Spinosaurus is. It's amazing what speculation will do.

From this:

We have this:

On the topic of Spinosaurus being oversized by fanboys, here are two comparisons.

 

I heard somewhere that the small dinosaur is Allosaurus. Must be a young one I guess.

I also heard that the small dinosaur is a Tyrannosaurus Rex. That's a funny way of spelling "Gorgosaurus" if you ask me.

 

And now, here's a link to an event by national geographic, stating Spinosaurus's size. It says over fifty feet long, twenty feet tall, and six tons in weight. Don't believe me? Click here

Back to size, here is a comparison with Spinosaurus that is actually reasonable.

What else makes Spinosaurus overrated by internet fanboys? Since the extreme size is BS, here's more reasons it is overrated. Diet and behaviour.

Let's start with diet. Spinosaurus was mainly piscivorous, meaning it ate mostly fish. I know what you're thinking, the fish it ate were huge. That's why it's assumed Spinosaurus, much like it's relatives, had large arms. How large? No one knows, though it's often speculated at about six feet long. Using it's long, thin jaws and conical teeth, Spinosaurus would be able to grab its prey and hold it in place while the large arms and claws did the dirty work. After killing, or during the process of killing, Spinosaurus would likely walk to shore, drop the fish, and begin eating.

Why the big arms if it would just carry it's victims in its mouth? It needed the arms to be able to reach far enough to actually do anything to said victim. There is no doubt that Spinosaurus would be able to carry its victims in its mouth as it likely didn't catch anything over a ton in weight. For an idea on strength to support Spinosaurus being able to easily carry heavy fish, the Jurassic Fight Club version of Tyrannosaurus Rex (about seven tons in weight) was capable of carrying a five ton Edmontosaurus carcass. It carried something that was over half it's weight, so Spinosaurus should have no trouble lifting and carrying something a mere sixth of its weight.

What does behaviour have anything to do with this? Well, being mainly piscivorous, it would be put into less competition with other predators such as Carcharodontosaurus. Less competition means less fighting, which means not as good at fighting as similar sized, or even smaller predators such as Carcharodontosaurus.

Spinosaurus also had a large sail on its back. It would likely be useful for temperature control, but beyond that, it's only other useful purpose would be making Spinosaurus look larger, a great intimidation tactic. The sail however, was attached to its spine. If Spinosaurus got past the intimidation part of a fight, the sail would be nothing but trouble during the actual fight. If the sail was hit hard enough, or Spinosaurus was knocked onto its back, the fight would be over, as the Spinosaurus would be dead or paralyzed.

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Paden, i knew this already haha i use it in some of my "the size of..." posts.

Don't you think it's weird though that they'll jump the gun estimating off of a vertabrate - that's not even around anymore, only in drawings! - to estimate an animal, and "oh god look...it's huge!" But it's no mans land doing this with Mor 008? C. Rex? F. Rex? The UCMP individual? Just makes me shake my head..

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I agree. Not only do we actually have those fossils, but we have other T.rex specimens to go off of. There aren't any actual Spinosaurus skeletons to go off of for the fragments that pop up.

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Valid point again.

 

I'm just saying, That the protocol for Documenting SPecimins hasn't changed much in the past 70 years. 

 

I'd imagine most of todays Estimates are based off of the Records from the one that was destroyed.

 

But, You can base some things off Vertebrae, It's difficult, But can be done. 

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it can be done, but basing off of a drawing done almost 150 years ago? i mean here's what we get:

n his paper Carpenter* says he simply scaled up Diplodocus c.'s vertebra to 2.7 meters. The only problem is that he used the dimensions from Seismosaurus for diplodocus's vert, but said the length of Diplodocus was only 26.25 meters

This small mistake of recording diplodocus's vert as 1.22 meters instead of .946 meters has lead to the widespread belief that Amphicoelias was 60 meters long and 120 tons in weight. In reality using carpenter's method with the correct numbers we get, 2.7/.946=2.864. 2.854x26.25 meters=75 meters long. Also 2.856^3=23.2. 23.2x12 tons=278 tons. 

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off of this vertabrate, which we don't even know if it was the 10th,9th, or even 12th dorsal! That could change some estimates pretty drastically..

 

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I've gotta agree with you Mr. Happy. (except maybe the overrated part, I find overestimated to be more accurate.)

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^ how and why?

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thank you mr happy. i agree with everything you said

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It's kind of funny that I'm on Team Spino but I agree with every sentence of this discussion. It's annoying when any dinosaur is overestimated! Wether it be Spinosaurus, Ampholecias, or any other dinosaur.

 

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What do you mean Carno?

Overrated: to rate, value, or praise (someone or something) too highly

(according to merriam-webster.com) 

Overestimated: to estimate at too high a value, amount, rate, or the like.

(according to dictionary.com)

Although overrated could work, I find many other dinosaurs (read: velociraptor) to be far more overrated, whereas Spinosaurus' behavior and size are constantly getting blown out of proportions.

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How is it not overrated? It's constantly called the heaviest theropod, it's sometimes said to have hunted sauropods, many people say it would be a good fighter. There's plenty more examples.

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I'm not saying it isn't overrated, but To quote Mr. Happy: "Spinosaurus: The Internet's Most Overrated Dinosaur". However, I find that there are, as I stated many other dinosaurs (read Velocirator) far more over-rated than spinosaurus. Is spinosaurus overrated? Yes. Is it the most overrated? No. Has it been drastically blown out of proportions and completely and utterly overestimated on multiple occasions? Definately.

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T-Rex is also overrated.

IT'S TIME TO DU-DU-DU-DU-DUEL!!!

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True, but not as much as spino IMO.

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Hmmmmmmmm. Didn't post a discussion in a long time, comments rolled in faster than I can eat a pizza. Interesting.

 

That 401, is an opinion. I could argue that right here right now, I could make a new post for in the next few weeks, or I could completely ignore. I'll do the second one. The title shall be: Tyrannosaurus Rex: Is It Really Overrated? Something like that anyway. It'll be fun. 

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No comment.

IT'S TIME TO DU-DU-DU-DU-DUEL!!!

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Then why comment? No need to come across as mad or annoyed, and I wasn't trying to come off as mad or annoyed, just asking. 

 

You ou have to admit, these are valid points, are they not? Remember, this is the internet, anything can and will be argued about, and I found this fun to make. 

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Aren't you supposed to be a moderator? And you also stated you dont care about getting bitched at because you knew you would? Ive gotta tell ya, that was a very good assumption. I'm frowning upon this discussion and even more to you. Arent you supposed to NOT make people bitch? I would love to tell you how much T-Rex is overrated, and even more happy to tell you how much yourself overrate it.

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I'm not gonna deal with this.

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i got an idea s. Rex. Don't comment if you don't like it! really, really easy. Instead of "i'm not gonna deal with this.

Rex isn't nearly as overestimated as spino, point blank end of story!

I will list reasons if you feel so compelled to listen, but mr. Happy is pretty much hitting the nail on the head with this post.

@ Silver not what i meant. Why do you believe the overestimates, as opposed to the moderate ones? 

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