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MemberCompsognathusJul-16-2014 6:40 PMToday an oddball for the series enter the ring...he is:
Utahraptor ostrommaysorum; Utah's thief
Why utahraptor you may be asking?
Well, it does have a widely accepted size atrributed to it, but there are some potentially large specimens that are rumored to exist in the BYU collection.
It is based on on caudals 2 times the lenght of another specimen, so it may be a bit early to tell something about its size.Though our picture of Utahraptor should change greatly in the next 2 years, maybe they will write something about its size.
I feel a bit uncomfortable when combining a 11 meter raptor with the new built. 5 ton dromaeosaurid anyone?
Well...not exactly. A 11 meter specimen would be pretty massive, though I doubt that caudal lenght is good for extrapolating.
However, scaling from the run of the mill Utahraptor - 7 meters; 500 kg - (or 24 feet; 1100 pounds if that suits you) an 11 meter utahraptor would weigh around 2 tons. No more then an 8 meter Allosaurus Fragilis.
Mickey Mortimer has put this into consideration in his theropod database entry:
"Utahraptor ostrommaysorum Kirkland, Gaston and Burge 1993
(~12 m; ~2.7 tons) caudal vertebrae (Britt et al., 2001)"
It would be almost 3 t.
That however, is using a 12 meter length that i have not seen repeated any where else.
There has also been talk that these remains aren't dromaeosaurid in nature, but those of Acrocanthosaurus or an extant relative.
I don't really buy into this, Carcharodontosaurs and dromaeosaurs aren’t exactly closely related or indistinguishable. I have trouble believing the authors that figured them would misidentify carnosaur vertebrae to be those of a dromaeosaur, although that’s not impossible. Anyway, just a size difference is not enough to cast that much doubt on it, we know other extreme examples of animals from the same taxon showing such disparities.
In conclusion, i will stick to the 7 meter; 500 kg estimates for Utahraptor until these fossils in the BYU collection are scientifically described and verified.
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MemberTyrannosaurus RexJul-16-2014 6:55 PMInteresting. I see Utahraptor as one ton tops, and that's the size I use for fights.
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MemberCompsognathusJul-16-2014 6:56 PMGood estimates, I myself see utharaptor in the 1500 kg to 1 ton range but, were all entitled to our opnions!
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MemberTyrannosaurus RexJul-16-2014 7:26 PMCARNOSAUR - This is very interesting information you've presented! Indeed, an 11 meter, 2-ton Utahraptor would be a sight to see! Likely something I'd run from at a brisk pace were I to see it at a distance! :)
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MemberCompsognathusJul-16-2014 8:03 PMThank you Carnosaur for doing what i requested of you and it was indeed very awesome of you i would suggest Shantungosaurus now.
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MemberCompsognathusJul-16-2014 8:21 PMi've been wanting to do Shantungosaurus for a while now, looks like he's next up!
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MemberAllosaurusJul-17-2014 6:04 AMThis is interesting. I use the 7 meter size in my fights.
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