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True or False - Terror Bird was a scary looking Vegetarian

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MemberCompsognathusApr-10-2014 6:54 PM

Giant prehistoric ‘terror birds’ looked so fierce that many paleontologists assumed they were terrifying predators, but new research finds that the would-be carnivores were probably herbivores.

The terror bird, aka Gastornis, grew to nearly 7 feet tall. It lived between 55 to 40 million years ago in Europe and possessed a huge, sharp beak.

“The terror bird was thought to have used its huge beak to grab and break the neck of its prey, which is supported by biomechanical modeling of its bite force,” Thomas Tütken from the University of Bonn, who led the research, was quoted as saying in a press release. “It lived after the dinosaurs became extinct and at a time when mammals were at an early stage of evolution and relatively small; thus, the terror bird was thought to have been a top predator at that time on land.”

Wrong, according to the latest findings, presented by Tütken and his team at the Goldschmidt conference in Florence this week.

An early clue came by way of footprints likely left behind by an American cousin of Gastornis. The footprints do not show imprints of sharp claws, which would have been expected as tools to grapple prey. Today’s raptors, for example, sport such sharp claws.

Another clue is more obvious — the bird’s hefty size and build. Can you imagine Sesame Street‘s Big Bird (with a big beak) running swiftly after prey? All of that bulk would not make for a very swift hunter. Some researchers theorized that terror birds ambushed prey, but even that seems pretty far-fetched.

To further explore the possibilities, Tütken and colleagues took a geochemical approach. They analyzed the fossilized bones of the birds, focusing on calcium isotope composition. Isotopes are atoms of the same element with different numbers of neutrons.

In prior experiments, the scientists determined that the calcium isotopic composition becomes “lighter” as it passes through the food chain. They tested the method first with herbivorous and carnivorous dinosaurs — including top predator T. rex — as well as mammals living today. For this latest study, they applied the method to terror bird bones housed at the Geiseltal collection at Martin-Luther University in Halle.

They discovered that the calcium isotope compositions of terror bird bones are similar to those of herbivorous mammals and dinosaurs, and not to carnivorous ones.

“Tooth enamel preserves original geochemical signatures much better than bone, but since Gastornis didn’t have any teeth, we’ve had to work with their bones to do our calcium isotope assay,” Tütken explained.

As for many scientific puzzles, the case isn’t completely closed just yet.

“Because calcium is a major proportion of bone — around 40 percent by weight — its composition is unlikely to have been affected much by fossilization,” he said. “However, we want to be absolutely confident in our findings by analyzing known herbivores and carnivores using fossilized bone from the same site and the same time period. This will give us an appropriate reference frame for the terror bird values.”

We’ll hear more then about terror birds pretty soon. I hope the researchers will figure out exactly what these birds ate. Even if the food was just plant based, it had to have been large and tough, given the impressive beaks the birds evolved.

 

so what do y'all think, for me : FALSE

that was a false theories, all of the evidence shows that the Terror bird was having a large nail like beak, and a slender body, which mean that the intestines was small and slender that said terror bird was a fierce predator, not a scary looking Veggie's.

 

 

 

so what did you think. TRUE OR FALSE

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Raptor-401

MemberAllosaurusApr-10-2014 7:18 PM

True

IT'S TIME TO DU-DU-DU-DU-DUEL!!!

Carnosaur

MemberCompsognathusApr-10-2014 7:34 PM

This is kinda dumb...

An early clue came by way of footprints likely left behind by an American cousin of Gastornis. The footprints do not show imprints of sharp claws, which would have been expected as tools to grapple prey.

ok, well, yes. Modern birds do this, it's their main way of killing prey. Ostriched( the closest in size) don't use their feet at all, and are indeed fast runners. Although they are herbivorous.. Tyrannosaurus had sharp-ish talons, yet it did not have to grapple with its feet. It's jaws were it's main weapon, as with Gastornis.

I'm also a bit confused...It talks about calcium isotopes in the bones...then goes to the teeth....of which Gastornis - or any terror bird for that matter - did not have.

Not all terror birds were strictly one way or the other in their dietary preferences. Indeed, there were herbivorous terror birds. They evolved to diverge from constant competition with the saber toothed cats, and dire wolves, or other predators they lived with. Were all terror birds herbivores? no. Were they all carnivores? no.

So, there is a little bit of truth to this...but not much.

 

Nature doesn't deceive us; it is we who deceive ourselves.

x_paden_x

MemberCompsognathusApr-10-2014 7:44 PM

Humans, Must challange everything we know...

 

Why?

 

Because we're dumb. 

 

Anyways, as humans, we try and find relations wiht things, that we know today... This is a terror bird, Not a blue jay... There's differences...

Life cannot be contained, it breaks walls, crashes through barriers sometimes painfully, but uh... Life uh, finds a way

Carnosaur

MemberCompsognathusApr-10-2014 7:47 PM

i mean...this study....just doesn't seem to even know what it's talking about....

 

Nature doesn't deceive us; it is we who deceive ourselves.

Raptor-401

MemberAllosaurusApr-10-2014 7:51 PM

Let's not be so mean, now...

IT'S TIME TO DU-DU-DU-DU-DUEL!!!

Carnosaur

MemberCompsognathusApr-10-2014 7:58 PM

there's nothing 'mean' about it 401....ok look at it like this. you're in school, right? what if your teacher strode in, and taught you...i dunno...something in math..completely wrong? and some one had to go back and fix it...it's irritating.

i read the entire paper, after a lengthy internet search. These guys...do not know what they're even talking about. sad to say....but it's the truth and the truth hurts sometimes..

Nature doesn't deceive us; it is we who deceive ourselves.

Raptor-401

MemberAllosaurusApr-10-2014 7:59 PM

Well, some people said htis was dumb and idiotic... we can all be nicer, you see...

IT'S TIME TO DU-DU-DU-DU-DUEL!!!

Something Real

MemberTyrannosaurus RexApr-10-2014 11:48 PM
If I've recslled correctly, there was a Terror Bird known as Titanis that most certainly WAS NOT a herbivore. That bloke was a nightmare during its time! This girl's actually had nightmares about it!

UCMP 118742

MemberCompsognathusApr-11-2014 3:24 AM

Flase. Some Terror Birds could've been herbivores, but I doubt that Gastornis was one. The power to crush bones is pretty useless when you're a herbivore. The long and sturdy legs combined with it's slemnder body make for a pretty good runner and as was said before, it had small intestines. Carnivores always have smaller intestines than Herbivores because it's easier to extract nutrients from meat than from plants.

Keep in mind that many people have died for their beliefs; it's actually quite common. The real courage is in living and suffering for what you believe in. -Brom-

tyrant963

MemberCompsognathusApr-11-2014 4:55 AM

both true and false.The terror got his name by that big... dangerouse.... cool looking beak so any way these beaks are made to smash on prey and kill them but also like today's birds thay have beaks to eat vegetation

Deltadromeus

MemberCompsognathusApr-11-2014 6:53 AM

False, and complete and utter Bird S. Almost everything we've found about the multiple species of terror bird point to a hunter, even huge brain says hunter. Its not normaly big and fat, but thin and sleek and a built killer.

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