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MemberCompsognathusAug-16-2013 10:39 AMSo, let's try to put this debate to rest shall we? Is Tyrannosaurus a hunter or scavenger?
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Personally, I think T-rex hunted about 60-70 percent of the time and scavenged the rest of the time. For a minute, let's totally disregard anatomy. Forget how fast T-rex was, how smart, etc.
65 million years ago, there were only 3 carnivorous dinosaurs in North America that had any real impact on the herbivores: Dromaeosaurus, Nanotyrannus, and Tyrannosaurus. The problem with the scavenger theory is not just anatomy, but the balance of nature. Raptors and NanoT were too small and common enough to have any real impact on the really big, deadly herbivores like Triceratops, Ankylosaurus, and Alamosaurus. With these carnivores too small and rare, the herbivore numbers would skyrocket. They would decimate the vegetation. They would slowly die off because of overpopulation. Nature is balanced. It does not do that. The only carnivore that was common enough and big enough to keep those herbivores in check was Tyrannosaurus rex and it could not do that by eating their dead bodies.
You can get into speed, arm usage, intelligence, etc all you want. But use your common sense. Is nature unbalanced? No. The only time it is is when humans get involved and there weren't any humans around 65 million years ago. Tyrannosaurus was the only carnivorous animal that was big enough, strong enough, and numerous enough to keep the herbivore's populations in check and T-rex did this by hunting.
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Lord Vader
MemberTyrannosaurus RexAug-16-2013 11:24 AMGood points. I believe that Rex was hunter more often than not.
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MemberCompsognathusAug-16-2013 11:26 AMBTW, I meant raptors and NanoT were too small and uncommon enough.
Sorry for the confusion ;)
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DinoFights
MemberCompsognathusAug-16-2013 11:38 AMOpportunistic hunter. Hunted 65-75% of the time because it had the tools of an armor crushing predator (binocular sight, size, powerful bite) but also had the tools of a scavenger. (Slow, one of the best senses of smell, teeth for crunching bone, tiny arms)
I can see where Jack Horner got the scavenger theory from but it's invalid now that healed dinosaurs with Tyrannosaurus bites in them have been found.
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MemberCompsognathusAug-16-2013 11:44 AMYes, I forgot to mention the healed bite marks.
What I don't get is why people think all T-rex did was scavenge. When it comes to the balance of nature, it had to hunt. No other predator was around at the time that was big enough and common enough to keep the herbivores in check. That burden fell to T-rex, and it was happy to do it ;)
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futurepaleontologist1
MemberCompsognathusAug-16-2013 11:54 AMI posted this before buddy... But anyway: I think that with all the evidence we have gathered, the Tyrannosaurus Rex isn't built to hunt. The femur is longer then the tibia, the sense of smell was way too good for a typical hunter and the eyesight was not the least sufficient for a hunter. It couldn't run fast and couldn't see well with a bite force to crush bone. Hmmm... I think that Tyrannosaurus Rex was primarily a scavenger.
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MemberCompsognathusAug-16-2013 12:08 PMT-rex had binocular vision with good depth perception. That's almost certainly a fact.
Like I said, let's ignore anatomy and look at nature and how it's balanced. That's what I want to see more people look into when it comes to the debate.
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t-rex90
MemberCompsognathusAug-16-2013 12:16 PMT-Rex HAD binocular vision, that means it could see in front as it could to the side, that's pretty sufficient for a hunter to me. T-Rex also had powerful teeth like rail road spikes used for crushing, most scavengers wouldn't have that much strong teeth compared to predators. Younger T-Rex's ran but the adult ones had to be ambush predators at least. And I agree that there would have had to be another large predator to take out all the heavy armored prey like triceratops and ankylosaurus. And by the way, hunters have very good sense of smell too used for catching prey, wolves, tigers, etc. And due to all the fossils with t-rex bite marks as many have said, all evidence points to T-Rex being mostly a hunter and besides, what predator wouldn't pass up an easy meal from time to time? I'm sure all the big carnivorous dinosaurs did it as well.
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MemberCompsognathusAug-16-2013 12:26 PMI agree with you completely t-rex90.
Also, if anyone says it had tiny arms, so it was a scavenger, I'm sorry, but that does not mean anything. Hunters don't need long arms. Wolves are active hunters that don't use their front feet. The abelisaurs and carcharodontosaurs are all said to be hunters, and their arms are not very long either.
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Deltadromeus
MemberCompsognathusAug-16-2013 12:40 PMT. rex would hunt when there is nothing fresh to scavenge. That means a T. rex could hunt and never scavenge in his entire life, or it could scavenge its entire life. It would hunt more often then not, I'm talking 80-90 percent of the time as a hunter. I don't think that it would give up a good free meal though. And some thing else, you had Daspletosaurus Gorgosaurus and Albertosaurus ther to help kill things. And just because we haven't found many Dromeaosaurus fossils, doesn't. Need to go, I'll edit this part out later.
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MemberCompsognathusAug-16-2013 12:45 PMOk, but Daspletosaurus, Gorgosaurus, and Albertosaurus all lived BEFORE Tyrannosaurus. So, no, they were not around to kill things.
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MemberCompsognathusAug-16-2013 4:13 PMThis is, in my opinion, the most accurate depiction of Tyrannosaurus hunting behavior yet...
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dV2nG0NVzpo]When Dinosaurs Roamed America: T-rex Hunt[/url]
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The forgotten king
MemberCompsognathusAug-16-2013 5:47 PMI believe Tyrannosaurus Rex was a great predator but would scavenge if the opportunity arose.
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The forgotten king
MemberCompsognathusAug-16-2013 5:47 PMI believe Tyrannosaurus Rex was a great predator but would scavenge if the opportunity arose.
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MemberCompsognathusAug-16-2013 6:56 PMSame. I agree with ya there.
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Godzillasaurus
MemberCompsognathusNov-28-2013 4:04 PM@futurepaleontologist1, are you by chance Charcarodon from Carnivora? Tyrannosaurus was most definitely a predator by all means. Remember, allosaurs were no longer the dominant terrestrial predators, and they were replaced by large tyrannosaurids. There were no other terrestrial macropredators around during the very late Cretaceous, which is why it is illogical to believe that tyrannosaurus was not a hunter itself. A longer femur in comparison to tibia? I have never heard that before about tyrannosaurus, and i fail to see what relevance that has here; tyrannosaurus had very powerful legs and was likely faster than a lot of people claim. Poor eyesight? I have also never heard that before. In fact, it appears that tyrannosaurids, with their acute binocular vision, had actually relatively good eyesight. Binocular vision is also a perfect adaptation for hunting.
And, just in case you want to bring up the weaponry argument, tyrannosaurid jaws and teeth were specialized at crushing, yes. BUT that does not mean they were scavengers overall. Crushing dentition can, very well, be used to damage the neck or spine of a prey animal.
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MemberCompsognathusJan-13-2014 2:05 PMBtw, i just wanted to point out that binocular vision means, it could see in 3D, most scavengers didn't have that feature because they didn't need to aim a lot when eating, active hunters on the other hand, need binocular vision to aim correctly (biting a Triceratops in the shoulder instead of the neck could decide your life)
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