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MemberCompsognathusJul-11-2013 1:49 PMFollowing my post about size, it is time for my ideas about them fighting eachother. T. rex is more of a one hit and it dies kind of fighter. Spino, in my opinion, will try to use its size and sail to scare the other dinosaurs away, but if that doesn't work, it will hack at you with its long arms, plus using a bite force of around 2-3 tons. So it is more of a kill in several hits kind of dinosaur. Giganotosaurus is really more of an all around dinosaur. Spino uses more claws, and T. rex uses more teeth. Giganotosaurus, I believe, uses a combination of both. Longish arms, and a bite force of 4 tons. But this is just me. Giganotosaurus is also best at long fights where his opponent keeps bleeding from lots of bite and scratches. Something to think about, we call a 2 ton bite force weak, when we are really comparing it to a T. rex, who has the strongest bite force. If you think about it, 2 tons is that of a small car. Now images a small car on you, it is going to crush you, and it is going to inflict very bad wounds to something big. The adverse bite force of a predatory dinosaur is probably not even 2 tons, so stop calling a 2-3 ton bite force weak, that is car heavy.
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MemberCompsognathusJul-11-2013 2:40 PMOf course it's 2 tons is strong, but compared to Tyrannosaurus' 9 tons, it's nothing. Sure, that's a car. But T-rex's is a pair of elephants.
I break the 3 down like this...
Spino is the specialized slasher
Giga is the all-round fighter
Rex is the powerful crusher
That said, I would not want to run into any of these beasts in a dark alley, haha
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MemberCompsognathusJul-11-2013 2:48 PMYou say that Giga is sort of the "combo" dinosaur, using his arms to his advantage. This just doesn't seem accurate. Think of all the documentaries you've seen of therapods like Giga, Carchar, Rex, and other larger therapods. When in combat, they very rarely use their arms. It's always the head, jaws, and feet. Spino is the only giant dino mentioned that I would attribute to making significant use of it's hands and arms in a fight, because, unlike the others, Spino would use them for hunting, grasping, and hooking prey on a regular basis.
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MemberCompsognathusJul-11-2013 2:53 PMAllosaurus and Spinosaurus are the only really large theropods that made use of their arms. Everyone thinks that the tyrannosaurs and abelisaurs were the only one's who had short arms. But Giga, Carchar, and their closest relatives had short arms too.
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Longer and more useful than the tyrannosaurs and abelisaurs, but not by much.
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MemberCompsognathusJul-11-2013 3:03 PMI guess that they do have shorter arms, but I do think those arms were still used. Tyrannotitian had shorter arms than other Allosaurs, it was very tyrannosaur like.
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MemberCompsognathusJul-11-2013 3:05 PMBut Spino's were even longer than Allosaurus. It's one thing to make use of arms in handling food and other tasks, but it's another to use them on a daily basis, hunting, attacking, etc. But I definitely agree that these two were more advanced in this regard than tyrannosaurs and abelisaurs.
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MemberCompsognathusJul-11-2013 3:07 PMHow would they make use of their tiny arms? They were undeveloped, short, with short fingers and claws, and diminished wrist action.
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MemberCompsognathusJul-11-2013 3:12 PMThe tyrannosaurs may have used them for a number reasons. To grip a mate, push off the ground, or stabilize their prey. The arms were very strong and their claws were sharp. For holding prey, this is what I think they would do...
A Tyrannosaurus attacked an Edmontosaurus. He holds it with in his jaws, right above the shoulder. He brings it in close using his strong neck muscles. Then, he stabs it in the flank with his hand claws. This helps hold it still. He balances on one foot and uses his tail as well. He slashes with his 10+ inch toe claws and bites down again and again. His hand claws continue to hold the hadrosaur. After a little bit, it's dead.
This is just on theory. As far as the abelisaurs go, I have no idea.
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MemberCompsognathusJul-11-2013 3:22 PMThat just seems so complicated. More likely he would pin the carcass down with his foot and tear of chunks of meat with his jaws. If the arms were longer and more developed, and had more than two fingers, maybe your take would be more believable.
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MemberCompsognathusJul-11-2013 3:24 PMAs always, we will never know for sure.
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MemberCompsognathusJul-11-2013 3:27 PMI still don't think that short arms means that it was a scavenger like Horner claims. Wolves for example are successful hunters. Do they use their front feet? No.
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MemberCompsognathusJul-11-2013 3:27 PMTrue.
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MemberCompsognathusJul-11-2013 3:35 PM[img]http://www.geocities.ws/monchromon/carnotaurus01.jpg[/img]
I almost feel bad for him. Such a fearsome appearance. Then you look at it's arms, haha.
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MemberCompsognathusJul-11-2013 3:38 PMWell, his other features sure made up for it! I probably would stop to laugh at the arms if I was being attacked by one, you know what I'm saying? ;)
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MemberCompsognathusJul-11-2013 3:39 PMYeah really. I would be laughing too much to realize it's got me in it's jaws, haha
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MemberCompsognathusJul-11-2013 4:17 PMHaha, whoops, I meant I [i]wouldn't[/i] stop to laugh - that would actually be really horrifying.
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MemberCompsognathusJul-11-2013 5:53 PMTrex dont have a bite force of 9 tons, it has a 4 to 6 ton bite.
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MemberTyrannosaurus RexJul-11-2013 6:28 PMEveryone has their opinions. I think Rex had around a 7 ton bite force.
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MemberCompsognathusJul-12-2013 8:14 AMI believe it was in the 5-7 range.
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MemberCompsognathusJul-12-2013 1:50 PMGregory Erikson of Florida State University stated on the documentary Mammals vs Dinos, Episode 2 Rise of Mammals, that minimally Tyrannosaurus rex had a bite force of 6,800 lbs per square inch and that the maximum bite force was in the 18,000 lbs range. This was based off of alligator tests, bite marks on T-rex victims, and estimated muscled density and size.
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