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keeganwh
MemberCompsognathusJul-01-2013 3:13 AMFor the sake of this discussion, I'm considering the primary 'vaillain(s)' or antagonist(s) of the film to be the dinosaur(s) that is actively pursuing the heroes for the majority of the film.
Despite the T-Rex making a huge splash in Jurassic Park, we all know that the real antagonists of the film were the Raptors. In The Lost World, the raptors took a bit of a backseat to the dual rexes. In Jurassic Park III, we saw the rise of the Spinosaurus.
My question then is, do we continue this tradition of shuffling the primary 'villain' or antagonist of the movies with Jurassic Park IV? We know there will be some new dinosaurs, but if the emphasis isn't on the Rex, Raptors, or Spino, who can take center stage? Will it be a new dino or a familiar face?
Personally, what I would like to see, is a return to a familiar dinosaur - but seen in a new light. In the Jurassic Park novels, the Dilophosaurus is in-between the size of the Raptors and the Rex and is a small pack hunter (a pair in the book). What we see in the movie is downsized to put more emphasis on the Raptors - but this could easily be explained for a new film as simply being a juvenile (making the 'adults' proper-sized).
[img]http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/098/6/c/dilophosaurus_by_kyoht-d3diw65.jpg[/img]
Alternatively, a really interesting idea proposed in The Lost World (book) is that Carnotaurus had the ability to change its skin colour and blend with its environment. I actually found this one of the scariest portions of the book, because the idea of a dinosaur that is virtually invisible at night is terrifying (plus they also seemed to hunt in pairs) - and I think this could make a great addition to the films.
[img]http://0.tqn.com/d/dinosaurs/1/0/-/Q/-/-/carnotaurus-sastrei.jpg[/img]
Lastly, another medium-sized pack-hunting dinosaur I think could work (though it's relatively boring, compared to the other two) is Allosaurus - a fairly well-known, common dinosaur that could work (though it wouldn't offer much contrast to the Rex, except being smaller/faster/pack-hunter).
[img]http://0.tqn.com/d/dinosaurs/1/0/g/C/-/-/allosaurusSP.jpg[/img]
What are your thoughts, everyone?
Keegan
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Lord Vader
MemberTyrannosaurus RexJul-01-2013 10:06 AMIf they did bring a new dinosaur in, like I have said before, Metriacanthosaurus is the most likely.
Here is an image from the movie to support my theory.
[img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090430165234/jurassicpark/images/1/14/JP-DinoDNA2.jpg[/img]
Dilo or Carno would be cool too though. Allo is boring compared to Dilo and Carno.
What I would just love to see more than anything is a pair of Rexs and a pair of Spinos that meet each other at the end of the movie and have a fight. They could both be chasing different research teams and meet when they escape to a boat.
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Deltadromeus
MemberCompsognathusJul-01-2013 10:41 AMThey might bring in Gigonautosaurus. It is a huge dinosaur and, is in my opinion, as heavy as T. rex.
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Lord Vader
MemberTyrannosaurus RexJul-01-2013 11:58 AMGiga was at least as big as Rex. Rex was more advanced because it had millions of years of evolution over Giga.
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Deltadromeus
MemberCompsognathusJul-01-2013 12:14 PMIf there is a pack of Giganautosaurus, which they almost certainly hunted in large packs, then even the Brachiosaurs will run for their life. T. rex wouldn't stand a chance against even two of these giants.
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x_paden_x
MemberCompsognathusJul-01-2013 1:35 PMThe bigger question here other then new antagonists is...
How could the island support that many predators or herbivores?!?!?!
It's obvious on Sorena because of the sheer mass of land and the properties of site b...
But site a is much smaller and has. WAY less dinosaurs.... So how???
Life cannot be contained, it breaks walls, crashes through barriers sometimes painfully, but uh... Life uh, finds a way
keeganwh
MemberCompsognathusJul-01-2013 1:47 PMI think that's another great reason to stick to Dilophosaurus - a dinosaur already established in the park.
That said, Nublar is by no means small and the dinosaurs arecapable of breeding. So those shouldn't be too limiting.
Lastly, I doubt they'll incorporate Metriacanthosaurus - simple because its not an easy name for people to remember. It doesn't roll off the tongue - and that affects profits. The producers will want something memorable and easy to understand.
Keegan
Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusJul-01-2013 2:16 PMI see Tyrannosaurus being the primary antagonist in the new one. Assuming it's on Nublar, then it is the most likely candidate. I think we will see something new that is not the primary "bad guy", but a secondary one. Something I want to see is a pack of Tyrannosaurus'. I am a strong believer in the theory that T-rex was a pack hunter. Not just a pair like in TLW. I'm talking 2 or 3 adults, 2 or 3 sub-adults, a few juveniles, and then the chicks. That's my opinion.
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t-rex90
MemberCompsognathusJul-01-2013 2:20 PMJudging by the blue jp logo, it's very likley that T-Rex will be the main protagonist but as a secondary villain I think the dilophosaurus would be cool to see again.
Deltadromeus
MemberCompsognathusJul-01-2013 2:24 PMI want to see an adult Dilophosaurus, it might not have a frill, or spit poison. That was probably the defense mechanisms for the young, but as they get older, they don't need it.
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Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusJul-01-2013 2:47 PMThat could be their excuse for making the Dilos more accurate.
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Lord Vader
MemberTyrannosaurus RexJul-01-2013 3:18 PMMaybe they could come up with a nickname for it. I feel Metri is the most likely new dinosaur because it was written down on the embryo storage thing in the image I supplies. Of course, there was whole other storage thing, and the opposite side.
As far as the Giga goes, one would be a challenge for Rex, so of course Rex wouldn't stand a chance against a pack. With the large carnivores, they are all so close that 1 v 1 is a challenge, and 1 v 2 goes to whichever there are two of.
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Deltadromeus
MemberCompsognathusJul-01-2013 3:53 PMExept maybe Suchomimis vs T. rex or Spino or Giga. Suchomimis would pobably fight eachother more than the enemy _____.
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Lord Vader
MemberTyrannosaurus RexJul-01-2013 3:57 PMTrue. Maybe they would see that they are the same kind and try to work together.
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Deltadromeus
MemberCompsognathusJul-01-2013 4:04 PMThey're big carnivores, big carnivores are territorial, plus the spinosaurs
aren't to bright. Even if they do work together, their only weapon is their long hand claws, the bite would be rather useless on something like a T. rex, plus, suchomimis is very light, em swimmers dead on dry land, but they will put up a good fight. If they drag T. rex into the water, the landlubber is dead, if their fighting Spino, their dead. Water, dead, land, dead.
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Lord Vader
MemberTyrannosaurus RexJul-01-2013 4:08 PMDepends on the depth of the water too though. Knee-deep would eliminate Rex from charging, but the terrain doesn't change anything if you get too close and end up in Rex's jaws. Vs Spino, Sucho is dead.
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Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusJul-01-2013 4:17 PMI doubt Sucho would be strong enough to pull a Rex in the water. The highest estimates put Sucho at 5 tons, I think it was about 3.5 tons. Even if it did weigh 5, a fully grown Rex is almost twice that weight at 8-10 tons. I don't think they could beat a Rex. Put up a fight of course, but probably could not win.
[img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110823094211/dinosaurs/images/6/63/Suchomimus1C.jpg[/img]
Suchomimus- 33-36 ft long and 3.5 tons
[img]http://www.walkingwithdinosaurs.com/suploads/dinosaur-details/dinosaur-tyrannosaurus/tyrannosaur-dino-large.png[/img]
Tyrannosaurus- 43-50 ft long, 8-10 tons
Sizes based on my estimates and theories
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Lord Vader
MemberTyrannosaurus RexJul-01-2013 4:29 PMIf you mean when i said "Vs Spino, Sucho is dead" i meant Spino. Sucho wouldn't stand a chance against Spino. As Rex Fan said, Sucho probably wouldn't even be able to pull Rex into the water.
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Danlophosaurus
MemberCompsognathusJul-02-2013 8:49 AMFor the sake of t-Rex, in book 1 it swam after led, Tim and Dr.grant. This idea was used in JP III when the group were on a riverboat and got attacked from a Spino who swam up stream and got to the boat. Dragging a Trex into water is pointless unless he is injured, giving predators the smell of blood
Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusJul-04-2013 12:37 PMYou're right. It did swim in the first book. However, it was not truly swimming. It was so big that it could walk on the bottom.
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Deltadromeus
MemberCompsognathusJul-04-2013 1:06 PMThe T. rex did swim, grant said so after they got to too deep water. The T. rex used its tail to swim, but it probably couldn't swim anyways, just too dense and heavy. I mean thick dense not sauropod dense.
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Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusJul-04-2013 1:27 PMI agree
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