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Lord Vader
MemberTyrannosaurus RexJun-15-2013 10:22 PMI decided to focus on the build of Rex and Spino. As you know, I have done the advantages for both, I have done disadvantages, and I even did things that could effect the battle. Now, I am focusing on their builds. I think that T-Rex is a bit more heavily built than Spino. T-Rex needed to be built tougher due to the environment it lived, and what it hunted. Spino didn't need to be as heavily built because it ate fish, so it spent most of it's time in or around water. T-Rex needed to be able to fight for it's food, while Spino just needed to hook it on it's claws.
I looked for at least 30 minutes for a picture or two. Does anybody. Know a good website for images?
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futurepaleontologist1
MemberCompsognathusJun-16-2013 12:19 AMWell I feel like maybe you aren't going in depth enough. Spinosaurus Aegypticus. It was built, like most fish eating therapods, with very strong limbs. His arms were huge and powerful compered to most therapods. His jaw was long and as a result, probably couldn't bite very hard, but still had many advantages over Tyrannosaurus Rex. It's size for one thing was a major repellant over many dinosaurs.
Tyrannosaurus Rex. A North American super predator. It probably couldn't move very fast because its femur was longer than it's tibia. T. Rex had useless arms, but his bite made up for it. Filled with bacteria, it would kill over time, but the immediate bit would be multi ton, and very deadly. T. Rex was built for combat with a thickened skull and thick rear limbs.
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Lord Vader
MemberTyrannosaurus RexJun-16-2013 9:20 AMI didn't think I did either. I just haven't been feeling that great for a few days. If you check my activity, I haven't posted much over the past few days. I found a T-Rex skull compared to a Gigantosaurus skull.
[img]http://archosaurmusings.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/trex-giganotosaurus-comparison1.jpg[/img]
I think Giga was more built for killing than Spino, so it would have a thicker skull then Spinosaurus, so I included this pic.
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Makaveli7
MemberCompsognathusJun-16-2013 9:29 AMSpino had thick and powerful limbs and a well-built chest for lifting heavy prey (crocodiles and other large aquatic animals), while T-Rex had muscular legs to support its weight and a powerful neck to hold its heavy head. Over all, I think Spino was heavier than Rex by a ton or two just due to its huge size.
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Lord Vader
MemberTyrannosaurus RexJun-16-2013 9:44 AMI know that Spino was probably heavier that T-Rex, but this is more for how they were built.
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MemberCompsognathusJun-16-2013 12:26 PMI'm not gonna get into size, but pound for pound, Tyrannosaurus was stronger. It was also heavier and had more muscle for it's overall size. It's bite force, due to strong neck and jaw muscles, was between 3 and 9 tons per square inch. And it's arms were not useless. They had sharp claws, but more importantly could lift up to 450 pounds. Sure Spinosaurus' arms and claws were far superior, but T-rex's were not useless. Also, horses leg bone are actually very similar to Tyrannosaurus and they can hit 45 miles per hour. Of course T-rex was much larger, so it probably did not go faster than 25 miles per hour, but that's still pretty fast for a 8+ ton animal. Spinosaurus was strong enough to catch it's food, which was not extremely strong i.e. Fish, dinosaurs less than 16 ft or so, and carrion. T-rex was strong enough to catch it's food i.e Dinosaurs of any size, but probably between 16 and 40 ft most of the time. Spino defended himself through intimidation unless his adversary was less than 30 ft give or take. T-rex defended himself by fighting no matter who it was. Tyrannosaurus was stronger and more heavily muscled than Spinosaurus pound for pound.
*Sizes are relative
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MemberCompsognathusJun-16-2013 7:18 PMuhhh, Spinosaurus did have to fight for its food with something a lot bigger than trex and had a bigger bite force than trex, which was sachosuchus. It also had to fight Charcarodontosaurus, which was also bigger.
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MemberCompsognathusJun-16-2013 7:24 PMLet's not get into size shall we. I'm starting to think things like this should not be discussed. Understanding how something that has been dead for millions of years is truly impossible.
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Lord Vader
MemberTyrannosaurus RexJun-16-2013 7:25 PMWe know that Spino would have to fight for it's food at least sometimes. Between the giant sail, the overall size, and maybe the ability to change the sail colour, I think that it would have intimidated it's opponents most of the the time.
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MemberCompsognathusJun-16-2013 7:30 PMwellll swimming is proven to be the best excersize since your using almost all of your muscles, and having to hold your breath for a long time should increase your stamina quite a bit ;)
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MemberCompsognathusJun-16-2013 7:30 PMLike I said, behavior is never goin to be truly understood completely when it comes to dinosaurs. Unless someone get's a time machine, we will never know.
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MemberTyrannosaurus RexJun-16-2013 7:41 PMThat is true that swimming would be good for Spino. Did you look at the picture of the T-Rex skull compared to the Giga skull? I made this more focusing on the bone structure of Rex and Spino, not size or lifestyle theories.
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MemberCompsognathusJun-16-2013 8:41 PMYeah, Tyrannosaurus is without a doubt, in my opinion, the strongest predator yet. Many scientists agree with that as well. Peter Larson stated in Jurassic Fight Club that Tyrannosaurus was so strong that there was nothing, NOTHING, that could escape it, if it decided it wanted to eat it.
[img]http://sharetv.org/images/guide/258837.jpg[/img]
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MemberTyrannosaurus RexJun-16-2013 9:08 PMThat episode that the pic is from shows "Mess with my kids, you mess with hell." That is a good point though.
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MemberTyrannosaurus RexJun-16-2013 10:07 PMI think T-Rex is more popular than Spino because for years, T-Rex was accepted as the king. T-Rex was seen as the biggest, meanest, most badass predator of them all. Then in 2001, a new carnivore that hardly anyone has heard of, comes in and kills the king. I don't think Spino was accepted and loved the way T-Rex was because we knew so little about it (and still do). We are still learning about Rex, so Spino will most likely have his time in the spotlight, but may never be as popular as T-Rex just because T-Rex has been, and still is, accepted as king of the dinosaurs.
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Deltadromeus
MemberCompsognathusJun-25-2013 9:38 AMJust throwing my idea out there about T. rex, but its bite dosn't have to be sceptic, the current bactiria that Komodo Dragons have might not have been around 65 million years ago. But Ivan if it was, the is a chance that is doesn't hurt dinosaurs at all.
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Lord Vader
MemberTyrannosaurus RexJun-25-2013 9:43 AMIf the bite was septic, which it likely was due to rotting meat between the teeth, It would increase the chance of a bite from Rex getting infected, which would weaken the bitten dinosaur, and in time, kill it if the Rex hasn't already.
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Deltadromeus
MemberCompsognathusJun-25-2013 4:50 PMRotting meat is just bacteria eating the flesh, but if the current bacteria wasn't around back then, even if there was decomposing bacteria, it might not do any damage, the dinosaurs might not be affected in the slightest by the bactiria.
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MemberCompsognathusJan-18-2014 6:55 AMAs you said the bacteria eats the flesh of those prey items that the T.Rex ate (dinosaurs), so it would be pretty safe to state that that bacteria would eat flesh right?, so if a T.Rex bites a dinosaur that bacteria would get into it's body and what would it do? Exactly, it would eat the dinosaurs flesh.
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Godzillasaurus
MemberCompsognathusJan-20-2014 11:52 AMQuote: T-Rex needed to be built tougher due to the environment it lived, and what it hunted. Spino didn't need to be as heavily built because it ate fish, so it spent most of it's time in or around water. T-Rex needed to be able to fight for it's food, while Spino just needed to hook it on it's claws.
Actually, the lifestyle of spinosaurus suggests that strong jaws (note, I did not necessarily say "powerful") are a necessity. I have explained this to you over and over again! Unless you can provide evidence that spinosaurus did not have strong jaws, I cannot believe you. I have provided evidence as to why this is not the case, but yet you refute it and claim that "it iss a oppinnion!"
Quote: I think Giga was more built for killing than Spino, so it would have a thicker skull then Spinosaurus, so I included this pic.
See, this is what I am talking about. You claim that giganotosaurus had a "thicker" skull than spinosaurus but yet have no reason to believe that besides the claim that "gigan an is desined fore cilling! spino is not witch thus meens that spinosaurus had a weeker snout!"
The possession of a robust morphology is far more evident in spinosaurus than in giganotosaurus; I cannot stress this enough. Giganotosaurus possessed a very lightly-constructed skull that was only designed to be used for vertical killing and would most likely be damaged via stress fracturing if it tried to grip large animals. Spinosaurus did not possess this snout anatomy and was instead characterized by a particularly more robust snout (in terms of build) that was well designed for gripping without fracturing. There does not have to be sources for this for it to be correct.
Godzillasaurus
MemberCompsognathusJan-20-2014 11:55 AMQuote: I think Giga was more built for killing than Spino, so it would have a thicker skull then Spinosaurus, so I included this pic. --- Actually spinosaurus had the more heavily-constructed snout of the two genera. Giganotosaurus had a much larger snout dimensionally but it was yet disadvantageously lightly-constructed whereas spinosaurus possessed an overall denser and more robust snout that was designed for gripping large fish without injury.
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