Rex vs Spino
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Rex Fan 684
MemberCompsognathusMarch 30, 2013Locked8161 Views54 RepliesWho would win, Tyrannosaurus rex or Spinosaurus aegyptias? I feel T-rex would win. A bite force of 3 to 9 tons per square inch, pack hunter, overall smarter. Spinosaurus had larger claws on it's hands, but it's bite force was pretty pathetic. Plus, a 4 to 6 ton Spino is about half the weight of a 8 to 10 ton Rex. That's my opinion, what about you guys?
PS- What's your favorite dino in general? T-rex is mine.
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Dinosaur.FanaticApril 02, 2013
As some of you know I am on team Spino. It was a really difficult decision to make considering I LOVE t-rex and am amazed at the ferocity of t-rex in jurassic park. I agree that it is improbable that Rex would lose to Spino in a fight, because T-rex has the skull, weight, and speed of a killer, while spino mainly ate fish and is lighter and more delicate with that sail-fin.
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Lord VaderApril 03, 2013
T.Rex would win most of the time (it is possible for T.Rex to have a bad day e.g. JP3). I was actually kind of surprised reading Dinosaur.Fanatic's comment. I have never actually seen anyone who is team Spino, but still agrees T.Rex would win because most of the time, Spino fans are so heavily biased in Spino's favour, that it is comedy more then anything. I am on Team Rex, but I do like Spino. On other discussions on different sites, people said Spino's sail was an advantage, and others said that because Spino had long arms, it could rip T.Rex's head off before T.Rex got close enough (LOL). Anyway, I do wish that there where more Spino fans like Dinosaur.Fanatic, looking at this statistically, not just by which one they like better.
T.Rex would likely win due to superior bite force, overall strength, and toughness.
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KingRexApril 03, 2013
I'm going to set this straight right now for anyone who thinks Spinosaurus would win. T-Rex would win, u can argue it all u want but here r reasons why. T-Rex does have a greater bite force. But that doesn't mean it wins automatically. Spinosaurus had longer arms than T-Rex but that doesn't mean anything. If u look at what the fought and ate during their time you will know the difference between them. T-Rex lived with Triceratops, Ankylosaurus, and Edmontosaurus. It was difficult for T-Rex to get a meal against tough prey. Triceratops 8 foot skull with 3 foot horns. Ankylosaurus was covered in armoured bone and had a deadly bone breaking club. T-Rex had challenges. Now Spino is larger no doubt , had longer arms with big hook like claws. Those were used for fish!! Its snout was long to catch fish! It ate fish! It had its nostrils up closer to its eyes so it could stick its mouth in the water and still breathe. They also killed some juvenile dinosaurs. But those r juvenile. Nothing like T-Rex. Spinosaurus would piss him self if he saw T-Rex coming at him.
Rex Fan 684April 04, 2013
Yeah, I think T-rex would win. Spinos sail would probably be a disadvantage. It would make him less agile and was full of blood vessels. It a rex bit it, it would be like a big blood filled cookie for him. Yum, haha. I even think that, while Spino was 6 feet longer and maybe taller, T-rex was much heavier, and therefore, bigger. Spino=4-6 tons, T-rex=7-9 tons or more. Just sayin
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KingRexApril 04, 2013
They weights were about the same actually, both around 7 tons give or take a ton. That Rex in JP3 was the smallest T-Rex of all the other movies and it was probably a young one too. That was a disadvantage for it.
Omega.TrexApril 06, 2013
All of the paleontological evidence points toward Tyrannosaurus taking the cake. He was a larger carnivore when it came to mass, he had to take prey that was not only well armored, but extremely deadly. Spinosaurus ate fish, the only real challenge I could see a Spinosaurus facing would be something like a Leoplurodon, maybe even Predator X. I'm also still quite skeptical on the size of Spinosaurus they've never uncovered a full skeleton, only some pieces. Those were destroyed in a museum in Europe during WWII. I just didn't appreciate the fact that they had a new dinosaur come in out of nowhere with no backstory and take down our tyrant lizard king. Either way, evidence points to Tyrannosaurus defeating Spinosaurus.
Rex Fan 684April 06, 2013
I agree. Spino ate fish, small dinosaurs, and carrion. T-rex ate ceratopcians, ankylosaurs, Alamosaurus, duck-bills, etc. Spinosaur was longer, but Rex was heavier and stronger. Spino did live w/ Charcarodontosaurus and the giant croc Sarcosuchus, but would likely back down if he came across one. Tyrannosaurus was also more advanced. More intelligent. He was the smartest, fastest, strongest, and quite possibly the largest terrestrial carnivore ever.
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SpinokingApril 11, 2013
Spino obviosly would have won larger size, heavier, and he had arms unlike t-rexs stub arms. and about this greater bite force no one has seen a spinosaurus also spinos teeth were like a crocs teeth. crocodiles eat large animals such as water buffalo, and zebras. anyway t-rex couldnt have fitten his large fat mouth around spinos large sail anyway.
BombillazoMay 09, 2013
I like to think the JP3 Rex was old and weaker XD cause im sure Rex would have the advantage in a fight like that. It gives me peace of mind hahaha
DeltadromeusJuly 10, 2013
I think Spino and rex would win equally, they have their own powerful weapons, Spino could easily rip T. Rex's throat out, and T. rex could easily rip Spino's head off, but if they fight, it will be very even.
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Lord VaderJuly 10, 2013
In a Rex vs Spino fight, they are so evenly matched, that the battle could last for hours, and be ended by environmental factors, what they are fighting for, and experience. I did a discussion on things that could affect a Rex and Spino fight, but it didn't get that far.
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Rex Fan 684July 11, 2013
Whoa, this post was from a long time ago, but ok. Some of my views have changed since I made this post. Many of you have probably seen my weight estimates for Spino go up from 4-6 tons to 5-7 tons for example. Now, that said, I still think Tyrannosaurus would win about 60 percent of the time. Spino, about 40. Like MrHappy said, it would likely come down to something out of their own control.
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GigadinoJuly 24, 2013
I change my opinion.
I think that this is a 50/50. Both were huge and dangerous.
The forgotten kingAugust 16, 2013
If you look at it,why do we argue about this,can't we just appreciate these amazing creatures,the truth is an even match 50% for each,plus they would never fight cause they lived in separate places.
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The forgotten kingAugust 16, 2013
Rex Fan 684,I know T-Rex is your fave but I wanna know if you can look into spinosaurus and post your findings,he may not beat T-Rex or not, we will never know,I just wanna see what you find when you research it.thank you
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penguinsaurusrexSeptember 14, 2013
well spino because he was the biggest therapod to walk the earth no giganatosaurus wasnt the biggest spino was even at juvinile he was bigger than a mid aged t-rex
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Lord VaderSeptember 16, 2013
I was debating on weather or not to respond, but I got bored.
@ penguinsaurusrex
Bigger isn't always better.
Spinosaurus may be larger (in terms of length and height, and probably weight), but it just wasn't built for combat, in my (and a few others) opinion. Sure, Spinosaurus lived with Charcarodontosaurus, but the difference in their diets allowed for them to co-exist.
Rex on the other hand, while it didn't have competition from other large carnivores, it's prey was more than enough to fill that slot.
I'm not going to get into facts, if you really want to see pretty much anyone's opinion on how it would go, please refer to previous discussions.
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Rex Fan 684September 16, 2013
The statement that Tyrannosaurus did not have competition is actually not too truthful. While Nanotyrannus was probably not a problem, a large pack of raptors might at least present a mild problem. Not to mention T-rex had it's own version of Sarcosuchus aka Deinosuchus. Just a thought.
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Lord VaderSeptember 16, 2013
Didn't think of that. I meant more all the time threats, not just once in a while threats.
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DeltadromeusSeptember 16, 2013
And that's why Oxalaia is the best Spinosaur. Jk, that is Sigilmassasaurus. I know that this really doesn't relate to Spino vs Oxalaia, but the Argentinian was the second biggest predator of the time, and not the deadliest either. It was a more land based Spinosaur, and was porprotionatly as heavy as Spinosaurus, if not heavier.
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Rex Fan 684September 16, 2013
What get's me is that this is one of my first discussions ever and it's still kicking, haha
My first discussion was about Tyrannosaurus. Nothing more. Just T-rex, haha
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DeltadromeusSeptember 16, 2013
I saw that this post was active, so I thought I'd join in for fun. I do think that when it came down to Spino vs T. rex, it would, be very, very even. A little bit on Rex's favor though. If it was Oxalaia vs rex, then it would be different. Okay, its 1 ton less than Spino, and 10 feet shorter, but it lived in the most dangerous place in dinosaur history, and you can't deny that. Argentina was literally crawling with carnivores, and the only food to eat is Titanosaurs. You have to be tough or food.
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DinoFightsSeptember 16, 2013
Well, as I fight writer, I probably shouldn't get involved in this, but what the heck. Why not.
Okay, so here are Spinosaurus' advantages
Spinosaurus: long and powerful arms, long and sharp claws
Longer skull and powerful neck
Powerful bite (4-5 t)
Heavier and taller
Can get up if knocked on its side
Stronger (when you have a giant muscular ridge on your back from neck to tail tip, you're strong as hell)
Intimidating muscular ridge
Possibly some sort of armor (dealt with crocodiles and sharks daily)
Swimming ability
Way more experience fighting large carnivores (Bahariasaurus, Sauroniops, Sarcosuchus, Carcharodontosaurus, etc.)
Possibly reflexes (catching fish flying down a stream requires amazing precision and timing)
Now T. Rex's advantages
More powerful bite (6-6.5 vs 4-5 t)
Deadlier teeth (thicker and serrated)
Possibly agility (didn't have the sail, but it did have a restricting short body with wide hips, so this may not be an advantage)
Better sense of smell (perhaps the best ever)
Possibly better hearing
Handled deadly prey (Triceratops, Ankylosaurus)
Both had excellent depth perception and intelligence, so those X factors don't come into play.
I won't voice my opinion on the outcome, I just stated unbiased and supportable advantages each has.
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DeltadromeusSeptember 16, 2013
I must agree with a bite of around 4 tons. It is more than twice athe size of a saltwater crocodile, and they have a bite of around 2 tons. Scale the fact that size matters with bite in crocodile world, and you have a redonculusly strong bite force.
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DinoFightsSeptember 18, 2013
Well, even then, the saltwater crocodiles that had measured bite forces were only 8 feet or so... I imagine Lolong-sized animals would bite down with at least 3 or 3.5t, coming in to the lower range estimates for Tyrannosaurus. If it hit 4, I wouldn't be surprised. I don't know how to do square cube force scaling or whatever like my sister, but scaling from a false gharial, a crocodilian with a 6 foot skull (Sarcosuchus) could bite down with 4t psi.
And Spinosaurus' skull was exceptionally more robust than its kin's.
Suchomimus skull
[img]http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2593/4007208136_bac3269dbf_z.jpg[/img]
Gharial skull
[img]http://farm1.static.flickr.com/184/423917273_d47d753af0.jpg[/img]
Spinosaurus skull
[img]http://img.timeinc.net/time/today_in_pictures/0907/tip_ny_0713_01.jpg[/img]
False gharial skull
[img]http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/wp-content/blogs.dir/471/files/2012/04/i-b1c1e8ccd24e691def253b0847b2bb5e-TS_giant_skull_BMNH.jpg[/img]
Spinosaurus is much closer to false gharial than gharial, giving it a bite of roughly 4t, though if its ridge muscles connected to its neck, giving more power to the skull, additional force would be provided.
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Rex Fan 684September 18, 2013
Even still, Gregory Erikson conducted studies down in Florida pertaining to Tyrannosaurus' bite force. Based on the bite mark evidence, he concluded, minimally, T-rex had a bite force of 6,800 psi. These bite however were not made at full force. Therefore, based off of studies on alligators and the estimated muscle mass of Tyrannosaurus, he concluded that Tyrannosaurus was capable of biting down with over 18,000 psi.
Alligator Skull
[img]http://www.boneclones.com/images/bc-129-lg.jpg[/img]
(The alligators used in the study were about 10 ft long and 450 lbs. They bit down with about 2,500 psi and the highest recorded for an alligator is about 3,000 psi. This can be seen in the documentary Mammals vs Dinos).
Alligators have skulls that are more robust than false gharials and crocs. They also have higher bite forces on the average.
[img]http://www.azdrybones.com/images/SaltWaterCroc.jpg[/img]
(Crocodile)
[img]http://www.valleyanatomical.com/catalog/images/R%20S499%20FALSE%20GAVIAL%20SKULL.%200002.jpg[/img]
(False Gharial)
[img]https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-H2BoZ-YUohQ/T-y0D0G8VoI/AAAAAAAAAXg/Bh8wLNkGlm8/s302/Spinosaurus-falsegharialSkullDiagram.jpg[/img]
(Spino skull compared to False Gharial)
[img]http://www.amnh.org/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/amnh/images/permanent-exhibitions/fossil-halls/hall-of-saurischian-dinosaurs2/tyrannosaurus-rex/150313-1-eng-US/tyrannosaurus-rex_dynamic_lead_slide.jpg[/img]
(Tyrannosaurus skull)
Just figured since DinoFights did Spino I'd do Rex ;)
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Spix Macaw ZackOctober 23, 2013
A Spinosaurus Tooth/Teeth we're hollow and brittle, meaning they couldn't grasp and hold something for long without breaking. A Spinosaurus also had a long snout/mouth which mean't it couldn't hold up a lot of pressure. A Spinosaurus hands we're faced inward and very close to each other, they would have to unnaturally bend sideways to even hit something. A Spinosaurus may have eaten fish but that doesn't make it smart, It didn't have to hunt Ankylosaurus or Triceratops on a daily basis so it didn't require a lot of intelligence.
Tyrannosaurus Rex had teeth that we're the size of bananas and weren't hollow meaning that they wouldn't break easy, maybe lose though if struggle lasted.A Tyrannosaurus Rex also had Bacteria filled in it's mouth similar to a Komodo Dragon. A Tyrannosaurus Rex had a small mouth/snout but it was focused with a lot of muscles meaning that it had a considerable bite force. Hands don't really matter for Rexe's besides maybe grasping giant prey. A Rex usually hunted the so called Duck Billed Dinosaurs, but on rare occasions had to hunt Ankylosaurus and Triceratops, even fighting these animals most likely ended 50/50 with the Rex or Trike dying, since it required to hunt such dangerous prey, it had to develop a lot of intelligence, Most people say T.Rex, Raptor and then Troodon we're the most intelligence Dinos, probably we're.
Now to the fight,
If you guy's so kindly look back into the Spino vs Rex video, you see in the beginning of the fight the T.Rex put's his massive chompers with banana teeth, bacteria and thousands of pounds of bite force into the Neck of the Spino, that's instantly death for it, If you see the Plane hitting the Spino also, it hit the spine which would of immediately either weakened the Spino greatly or killed it, it did neither. Anyway, the Spinosaurus had the T.Rex neck in his mouth for a few seconds to long, it would have been hard to keep it in his mouth do to not a lot of pressure built to withstand in the mouth and break it's teeth. You also see the T.Rex manhandle the Spino into a tree, also hitting it's Spine.
Now that I proved the Rex would of won, Let me also put in that, People who say that Rex wasn't a Super Predator and was a scavenger, It takes quite a lot of food to keep up that body weight and size for the Rex, Scavenging wouldn't be able to suffice the Rex to keep it that size, meaning it's a Super/Apex Predator.
DeltadromeusOctober 23, 2013
Papa Rex. You didn't prove anything. And this discussion, and all other discussion like this, are now dead. The only time T. rex vs Spino is now allowed is FBR. We all have our own thoughts it doesn't mean you or me is right, but we just don't agree.
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Rex Fan 684October 23, 2013
Let's not come back to these older discussions please :)
If you wish to talk about the outcome between a T-rex and a Spino in a fight, you should use the personal messages ;)
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JurassicFanaticOctober 24, 2013
Spinosaurus would totaley win. As it is taller, it had longer legs. If it had longer legs, then it's faster. Also, Spinosaurus was pretty agile. Because of the spine, it's entire body was encased in muscle. It could twist it's entire body very quickly, like an eel. Spinos also had big, clawed arms.
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Lord VaderOctober 24, 2013
*facepalm*
Rex vs Spino is dead, that has been stated countless times. If you want to see out opinions, refer to previous discussions. If you're going say something, say its your opinion. Otherwise it just sounds like, "this is what I think, so this is what it is".
Thanks for stating your opinion on Rex, it's very helpful when people give their opinion on both in these thing. I'm not going to say anything, because everyone knows my opinions, and you can too by simply looking at previous discussions.
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JurassicFanaticOctober 24, 2013
Hey, Happy9097,
I started a discussion about T-rex and Velociraptor. Waiting for it to be accepted. Could you comment on it when it's up?
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GodzillasaurusNovember 28, 2013
Spinosaurus at its max (roughly 56 feet in length and around 12 tons) would win. Although it was a piscivorous animal, that does not mean that its jaws were weak at all. They were, in fact, really strong and quite resistant to both lateral and dorsal forces; they were very dense, especically compared to the jaws of carnosaurs. At length parity, however, tyrannosaurus wins for obvious reasons.
DeltadromeusNovember 28, 2013
Godzillasaurus, me, Rex Fan, and Mrhappy have said time an time again, Rex vs Spino is dead. Sizes are so unknown for Spino, that we can't say what it really was in weight. Also, only part of a jaw has been found. Not much to go by on bite force.
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GodzillasaurusNovember 29, 2013
I have been here (at Jurassic World) less than a day... I am not going to go through every single thread to see what you guys had to say. If you ask why I have over 50 posts, then I should tell you that most of those are from the Godzilla forum.
Spinosaurus had way more powerful and heavily-built jaws than people make them out to be. You see, its thin rostrum was actually quite dense and robust in the region posterior to the specialized cleft, especially compared to allosauroid jaws; they were actually quite robust despite being thin. This is an adaptation for resistance to stress exerted by the massive fish that made up a large part of its diet; spinosaurids needed to have very strong jaws to withstand such amazing amounts of pressure because they evolved to grip. Bite force is somewhat unknown (although some estimates point to 2-3 tons of force), but I can tell you now that spinosaurus did not have weak jaws the least bit in the realm of overall robusticity, even if its bite force was subtle.
@Spix Macaw Jack, you are misinformed. Spinosaurus teeth were hollow, conical (cone shaped), and unserrated, but they were most certainly NOT brittle and were in fact quite sturdy and heavily-structured. Spinosaurus\\\' jaws and teeth were designed for gripping powerful aquatic animals, so both needed to be very strong. The conical shape of spinosaurine teeth were perfectly-built for piercing and gripping, yet they were still thick and were more than capable of withstanding decent amounts of pressure.
Tyrannosaurus teeth were built like serrated spikes. This does not necessarily mean they were more resistant to lateral forces than the teeth of spinosaurus, as spinosaurus\' dentition itself was also very strong and thick and was designed to retain a firm grip on large aquatic animals without breaking. Tyrannosaurid teeth, on the other hand, were designed for crushing vertically and not gripping. The same goes for the jaws, which were very heavily-built and thick (both dorsally and laterally).
Man, the inaccuracies on this forum are insane...
Rex Fan 684November 29, 2013
Tyrannosaurus Bite Force- 3-9 tons psi
Spinosaurus Bite Force- 2-4 tons psi
Weight(the determining factor when it comes to size for animals) is heavily debated between scientists and everyday people.
And Godzillasaurus, it's not inaccuracies. It's a difference of opinions. Once you call someone flat out wrong, you lose nearly all credibility. End of story.
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