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Kamoebas, that's not evolution, that's ontogeny, where a creature simply changes as it grows older, like a baby looking a lot cuter and much more dramatic proportions compared to a human adult.
Also, define "kinds". Like just animal in general? Or fish in general? Or just from grouper to grouper? Also, if fish are so diverse and you admit they all evolved, and we see (even today!) fish that can somewhat move on land and breath air, what's so hard about those fins becoming full fledged limbs? And if it's true for fish, that should also be true for MAMMALS, where we've seen creatures evolve wings to become bats, and wolve like thing LOSE limbs to go into the water and become whales. So admitting that creatures can lose or reduce limbs to live in the water, what's to say the opposite isn't true? Also, technically you're right about kinds, because we're all defined as one big kind called ANIMALS. I mean, if a creature were to evolve for 5 billion years within its kind, then they would end up VERY different from the original kind, you know, like a fish to a bird?
And basically frogs are not born with legs,and when they evolve,they get legs,so GmkGoji,you are not right.
I've seen evolution happen!But i didn't mention it.
... Ok I'm a bit sad... no one, I MEAN NO ONE, has brought up the fact we've SEEN evolution happen, except me, and no one's talking about it. We've seen it happen. I mean, just watch the video! JESUS. Also... for the fish thing... it makes complete sense to me. In the time that fish evolved to move on land a bit more, swamps were much smaller and regularly ran out of oxygen, so the fish trapped within would die. If a fish evolved to belly flop a little from tiny puddle to tiny puddle, and to breathe air, then they'd survive despite the lack of oxygen in the water. Eventually, some evolved to be able to move on land more easily as to escape predators, take advantage of food sources, and the reasons listed above, which were the first amphibians. Due to still being close(ish)ly related to fish, they still, to this day, have to usually stay around water or their skin will dry out (like a fish). Eventually some took more and more advantage of land and eventually evolved to be completely independent from the water, and not needing to stay around them, which were the first reptiles. That's why fish evolved legs. Originally it was just paddles, like the lungfish today. I mean, we see Snakeheads do a similar thing today, so it really isn't far fetched.
I believe that all animals were created according TO THEIR KINDS. In short, all animals came from a common ancestor from their kind.
All fish come from a fish.
All Birds come from a bird.
But a Amphibian did NOT come from a Fish.
Ah yes,
I knew what you meant.
While i do believe that evolution is true,i do believe that you know a bunch of stuff.
If you believe that common ancestors existed then why do you have trouble believing that land vertebrates came from fish that slowly adapted to their environments and gradually became amphibians?
Yup. I'm in the minority, but don't give a crap
Ah yes.
I see where you are getting at.
While I believe that evolution is BS, I do believe in common ancestors that gradually adapted to their environment.
So,this is the first time GmkGoji is from the minority.
Take big cats for example, the reason why they are placed under the genus of Panthera is because they all share alot of traits and their genetics agree that Lions (Panthera tigris), Leopards (Panthera pardus), Jaguars (Panthera onca), Tigers (Panthera tigris), and Snow Leopards (Panthera uncia) all came from a single common ancestor some ten million years ago.
What is not listed are all the extinct members of Panthera
Simply it tells us where they came from I mean if creationism is real then Dogs, cats, Humans, and Trees shouldn't have similar traits to define them nor genetic structures to indicate they are related and should be considered ALIEN to the rest of all life!
Uh huh.
What about them has evidence to support evolution?
Okay here are the main clades:
DOMAIN
KINGDOM
PHYLUM
CLASS
ORDER
FAMILY
GENUS
SPECIES
Eyes have more of a purpose than the Coccyx, eyes would only be vestigial if you no longer need vision.
Ugh, PLEASE don't bring up the Coccyx.
It's not vestigial, it is required to sit. Yes, you can survive without it, but you can also survive without eyes. Does that mean eyes are vestigial? I don't think so.
Yes, the fossil records, genetics, and biology shows us its true. Lions and Tigers can produce hybrids because they belong to the same genus Panthera which is a clade above species. However Ligers and Tigons can't produce offspring because they are hybrids from two different species of panthera.
Humans and Chimps can't bare offspring because we are from two different genus, let alone species.
Even if you ignore the fossil records, biology and genetics would still show you evolution. Did you know humans have a tail, its called a coccyx and its called a vestigial organ
Well how do you know the clades are true? You said it yourself, it is BELIEVED to be true.
IT SHOWS THAT EVOLUTION EXISTS!
I DON'T CARE WHAT PEOPLE SAY!
EVOLUTION IS TRUE!
NOBODY CREATED EARTH!
GMK the fossil records does if you know to read clades
Hell just look at your individual human, you may have people with enlarge hearts or enlarge kidneys and the medical problems that go with them. if humans were created equally by a creator how come Humans and by extension all life come in all shapes and sizes, hmmmm?
At a creationist stand it doesn't really make and sense outside oh God made you that way just because. So God dilbertly made you born a cripple or dilbertly made you prone to heart attacks, I thought we were all created equally?
At an Evolution stand point, which you can still believe in God by the way, just not creationism. The reason why everyone is different and not equal is because these difference are supposed to allow us to thrive in different environments as well as weed out the less suitable ones. This applies to survival situations if we didn't have civilizations, the advent of Civilization removed humans from most of these natural pressures.
The fossil record does NOT show evolution
Our understanding of evolution grows more and more with each new fossil discovered
Honestly the first link was most important... because it talks about instances where we've seen evolution happen over the course of a few decades, a process called rapid evolution. It brings up 3 fascinating instances of this.
Gmkgoji this is a topic about Dinosaur EVOLUTION so evolution is the main topic here. There is too much evidence to support Evolution (Genetics, Domestication, Medical science, basic understandings of Biology, and most importantly the Fossil Records) to be simply dismissed as a agree to disagree.
Ah yes,
ENSLAVED VIDEOS WHICH TELL US EVOLUTION!
Which video
YAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWn...
Can we all agree to disagree?
Or maybe argue about what killed most of the dinosaurs?
... I feel like everyone ignored the videos I posted... I'd be fine with that if the first one wasn't so important...
Typical Creationist comeback, no a fish doesn't simply grow legs.
The fish that all backbone land animals evolved from were the lobed fin fishes, their only surviving members are the Lungfish and the Coelacanths. The linage of Lobefin fishes we came from were called Tetrapodomoprhs, they advent of lung devalopment started when oxygen levels in the water were depleting and the oxygen in the air became breathable for vertebrates. So through natural selection the swim bladder slowly developed into lungs.
So now the early tetrapodomorphs would slowly crawl up on land with their fleshy fins, Lobefin fishes have finger bones in their fins unlike Rayfin fishes. The lobefins slowly started developing into more finger-like structures as millions of years and a shit ton of generations of lobefin fishes having sex and producing offspring to carry these mutations.
Welp,from that information,do you believe in god?I don't,because there is no proof that he exists.But there is proof that evolution exists,looks like no one created earth...
Does a fish grow legs and walk on land?
Eh, I don't think so
Gmkgoji its called Natural Selection, Speciation, and Genetic Drift. As for the Bombadeer Beetle, simply for generations a basal beetle feed on plants or materials holding those chemical compounds then through evolution gradually developed that survival mechanism to its modern form.
Curious you used the bombadeer beetle and not dispute my evolution chart of how Fish became amphibians to basal reptiles to dinosaurs to birds
Nobody created and evolution does not exist!
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE!!?!??!
Saying that Micro-evolution means Macro-evolution is true is not a viable explanation that Macro-evolution is true.
Also, saying that a species develops over time through mutations is seriously wack.
Take for example, the Bombadeer beetle. It shoots flammable substances comprisied of special chemicals to deter predators. How on Earth would many, small, random mutations be able to make a Bombadeer beetle have a incredible survival mechanism like this?
The beetle has four chemicals. Two, which mix together and EXPLODE. But, the beetle does NOT want that to happen inside his own body. So, the beetle has ANOTHER chemical which dilutes both chemicals. The fourth neutralizes the third chemical, which allows for 200 degree liquid chemical spray!
How does a bunch of small, random mutations cause such a complex and amazing animal? Especially on the scale of an insect? I'm fine with debating more, just tell me what you guys think. It's a 2v1! Or a 1v3? I dunno.
Well said, TheLazyFish
Not BIG mutations like that. I meant a mutation in one specific part of the DNA. To evolve wings, that would take a great number of mutations over time to create functional wings. However, it's theoretically possible. I mean, if it was somehow an advantage, then over the course of millions of years some species of amphibians could evolve to have wings, yes.
Also, before you say something like: "We've never SEEN evolution happen!" I'd like to refer you to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NArlXzSFt2Y
Also these for good measure:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfQuDKgwDTo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuqFUdqNYhg
