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nice fight as always.

Nice fight, I was rooting for Cymbospondylus. 

Looking forward to what's left in this series. 

The only problems with it are that there are no capital letters to start every sentence, and there are a few typos.  The detail is top-notch.

I'll give it a 7.5/10 overall.

except for the fact that the elephant/lion bodymass ratio is like10 to 1 and the yang/spino bdymass ratio is only 2 to 1.

do you like it? 10/10 how good?

I absolutely agree with the result, I wouldn't believe that a pack of 4 lions could kill a male Trike, even if it was scaled down in size.  If it was a larger pack, then the odds go in the lions' favour.

Mr Happy speaks of another valid scenario.  But only if the pack decided to attack the Spinosaurus, and that would mean that they'd be extremely desperate, such as in times of drought.

If each male Yang is experienced, than they'd know that taking on a musthing male Spinosaurus would be too much of a risk for them.  Yes, they could bring him down, but it would be crazy to do so.  Carnivores look for the most efficient way to make a kill, and will avoid fights with others a lot of the time to avoid serious injury.

Also, it wasn't mentioned that this Spino is ill or wounded, so it wouldn't make sense for a Yang pack to attack something that easily scares them.  

There was a documentary done by the Kratt Brothers where they documented a pride of lions that specialized in killing elephants.  The lions only attacked calves, and never adults, and whenever a bull elephant came around, the lions cleared out, but they said that if this bull was ill or hurt, than he would be fair game to the lions.  The same concept applies to this match-up.

I'm gonna give this one to the "Yangs." If there were only 2 or 3, I'd give it to Spino, or at least give it better odds. But Yang was a pretty robust and strong allosaur and with 6 of them in a fight, that'd be a force to be reckon with. I'd say 55-45 in favor of the Yangs, maybe 50-50 if the Spino is really ticked off.

Keep in mind T.rex had a far bigger brain than Carcharodontosaurus, so that'd be an advantage. I'm giving this one to T.rex with 60-40 odds. 

Interesting. She played Bryce Dallas Howard's sister in the movie "The Village" too. I like her voice acting as Cheryl in the adult cartoon 'Archer'. 

The wait isn't too bad.

I like UCMP's idea. It could quite possibly be one of the most accurate results provided Rex didn't get the kill right away. 

I'd say Spino, as he would kill two or three and the rest of the pack would run off. However, the pack could land some serious wounds to the creature.

What if it used a similar hunting method to that of the first humans. Maybe it would run into a herd of Hadrosaurs and then just follow one that was seperated for a few days. Hadrosaurus definitely weren't too stupid to feel emotions and I'm fairly sure that having a T.rex follow you can be quite disconcerting. Because of it's incredible smell it could probably follow an animal for days or even weeks. Imagine you're that poor hadrosaur. You've been constantly running for many hours and have no clue where your herd is and then boom a T.rex appears on the hill you passed a few minutes ago. If you don't die by exhaustion or get eaten while sleeping than ther's a good chance you'll be scared to death.

Any predator can be stealthy. Larger theropods probably had pads in there feet to muffle the sounds of there foot steps.

Us I agree with mr.happy. 6 yangs each weighing 4.5 tons and 33 feet long . Highly experienced. That pack would be highly powerful.. And the yangs are in a bachelor group like lphadino pointed out.the spinosaurus is indeed in his musth but the spino could not handle six predators each half it's size no matter how big the spino is. The spino will lunge for the poor yang closes to it and while it is tearing it to shreds, the other 5 yangs will leap into the spinos sides and weigh it down and then maul it to death.......

Most certainly Rex could be stealthy. Something similar in colour to the JP Tyrannosaurs, but the ground wouldn't shake and there wouldn't be that steady booming as it walked. Of course, it wouldn't be completely silent like the JP3 Spino either.

Just realized something. Last time something like this was done (six of one predator vs one large predator, Utahraptor vs T-Rex), we had something like 140 or more responses with varying opinions, even in the first four posts. That's six half ton predators vs a seven or better ton predator. So, with that, here's the different opinion. 

It's entirely possible for the Yang pack to have won. That's six predators that weigh 4.5 tons and are well equipped for taking down creatures larger than themselves. 4.5 times 6 is 27. Spino weighs 10 tons in this case. Spino is outweighed by 17 tons. Yangchuanosaurus had the agility advantage, the equipment to take Spino down, the numbers advantage, pretty much everything but sheer size. The Spino is easily pissed off, so if anything, that would hinder him because he'd swing every chance he got as opposed to picking his attacks, taking only the good shots. 

Before anyone says anything about me "underestimating Spino" in this situation, I think any lone predator, be it Spino, Giga, Carchar, or Rex, would be screwed against a pack of six Yangchuanosaurus. 

I'd say Spino for reasons already stated above. In a pack of 6 members, losing two is pretty big. That's a third of the group. 

I would say Spinosaurus,a nd my reasoning would be similar to the reasoning of AlphaDino65. Interesting though, why would a pack only consist of males? In some species, like lions, the females are the hunters, and he males are actually quite lazy.

Personally, I think that this particular Spino would win, and here's why:  you said he's abnormally aggressive, and the bachelor pack of the Yang are highly experienced.

If the Spino is abnormally aggressive, than he's more than willing to fight anything.  It could be that it would be breeding season, or even more than that, this male could be in a state of musth, or the dinosaurian equivalent.  Bull elephants in musth basically scare off everything except eostrous females, and have very short tempers.  They even scare off larger males who aren't in musth.  Bottom line, this particular Spino is more than willing to pick a fight with anything that bugs him in the slightest.

The male Yangs, who are experienced, would be able to tell that this male Spino is a serious threat with a severe attitude problem, so the best thing to do is to avoid him at all costs.  If they do happen to attack, the Spino's ferocity would likely kill a few members of the pack, and the rest would be so scared of this psychotic giant that they'd run away and save their own hides rather than die trying to take him down.

On a side note, I'm intrigued that you'd make the Yang pack with only fully-grown males.  Usually it's a pack of sub-adults or a gang, or even a family pack.  You made the pack like a coalition of male cheetahs, which is rare when we talk about dinosaurs.  I like that "thinking outside the box" hypothesis.

I as well plan on getting a degree in paleontology, but I'd prefer to be a collection manager, and sort all of the un-labeled fossils that have been found, as there are likely some amazing finds amongst them.

hopefully gonna go out into the field, i've already been on a couple minor digs out in Austin, NV..but, if it'd be at all possible i'd like to be a paleontological consultant for museums, documentaries, etc.

^ you guys have Saurophaganax, that's a pretty cool Allosaurid right there!

iOk ways knew you we're in a paleontologist.

i am going to. College  that majors in paleontology .

Well lately there's been more evidence of T-Rexes being pack hunters, so...

Why can't we have any cool dinosaur discovries in Oklahome? We havethe High Lands where the Black Mesa is and barely anyone around. Wh does no one like Oklahoma? We're a very diverse state over here. We have the High Lands, a mini-desert, forests, mountains, plains, and lots of man-made lakes and natural rivers.

Oh. What are you going to do after you graduate? Are you going to go in the field or stay in the museums?

Yes, The jaw mechanics of the Carcharodontosauridae is the working title, we're still far down the road from having it published, and the sheer amount of technical terms that we have to use makes my brain hurt, haha.

I'm flattered allo, but i'm just a student at the moment...within the next four or so years i hope to have a degree in this field

Yes, I believe T.rex would have been stealthy since it was built to be an ambush predator rather than a marathoner.  Carnosaur is right, predators look for the most efficient way to make a kill.

But it's more than just camouflage and physical characteristics that would make T.rex an efficient hunter.  Patience and timing are two of the greatest virtues that predators must have.  Wolves stalk herds of caribou for days sometimes, and crocodiles can hold their breath for a long time in order to hide under water in order to camouflage themselves.

She's a pretty good actress, it's cool to see her in this movie. Even if it's a small role

You're coauthoring a paleontologic paper? Man, I used to think you were a paleontogist in disguise. Now those are just old, old suspicions from when I first started. But you do seem like a paleontologist.

In all likelyhood all predatory dinosaurs had rather drab coloration, as to blend in with the foliage and what not.

A pink tyrannosaurus is gonna stick out like a sore thumb, and let's face it, nobody wants a pink tyrannosaurus..

..stuff of nightmares..

Anyway, if we look at the predators of today, they have a fur/skin coloration that helps them blend in with their environment.

Let's take the arctic fox for example..

In the more wintry, colder months they have a fur coloration that blends in with the snow; in other words pure white

But in the warmer, sumer months they adopt a blacker, silvery coloration to their coat

That's mainly to help the animal sneak up on prey, which makes hunting a whole lot easier

But, that's fur. And if Tyrannosaurus rex had feathers, perhaps they would change with the seasons to help it blend in, and if not Tyrannosaurus, the smaller Tyrannosaur species we are surehad feathers most certainly had this adaptation, namely nanqusaurus, a polar Tyrannosaur.

About a third the size of Tyrannosaurus, feathers most certainly would have helped with keeping the tyrannosaur warm in its climate, and perhaps the coat of feathers would change with the seasons as i've stated above

Back to the main point,most predators hunt by ambush, and as a result, are 'stealthy' to some standard, Tyrannosaurus wasn't a speed demon, sure it could run fast for short distances but that expends energy, and most predators look for the easiest, quickest way to make a kill

I agree. Wait, you're Hadrisaur Hero? We had a user on these forums named Hardosaur Hero a while back. Sadly, I can't draw a Tyrannosaurus with a ninja mask.

I'm looking forward to it!

Yeah, since it's the first official confirmation from the actress about her role. Also, I have a feeling the 'small yet poignant role' is her saying goodbye to her kids at the airport before they leave for Jurassic World/Nublar.

Carchy weighed in at about 8 tons. That's a sue sized animal, whether this is an average individual or just larger then average is indeterminate at the moment, though i've established that Carcharodontosaurus(including Iguidensis) had a size range of 40-46 feet, and a weight of 6-9 tons.

Tyrannosaurus had a serious set of jaws...perhaps the jaws with the most bite force of any terrestrial carnivore to ever walk our earth.

That doesn't mean the slicing dentition of Carcharodontosaurus is less lethal, though. In a paper i'm co-authoring, we've set forth the idea that like the name sake(Carcharodon - Great whike shark and kin) these animals would go on a 'full out assult' if you will, leaing massive wounds and waiting for prey to die of shock and blood loss.

Theory mind you, and it has its kinks.

But, this is a face to face fight, and i don't think a Tyrannosaur is going to let something that just attack it leave..

Tyrannosaurus has sheer bulk and a powerful jaw, while Carcharodontosaurus has slicing dentition, opposable arms, and it might - just might - have been more fleet footed. 

All in all, I'd give a very slight edge towards Tyrannosaurus, but this one is pretty close.

Well, it's still news.

Interesting, but I doubt it's of much importance. Anywho, news is news. 

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