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MemberCompsognathusMar-15-2014 1:08 PM

A scientific look at the largest of the large

Carcharodontosaurus Saharicus

"The shark toothed lizard"

Carcharodontosaurus is  included some of the longest and heaviest known carnivorous dinosaurs, The Carcharodontosauridae. . These animals are amongst the most sucessful land carnivores of all time, and this lead to immense size in a few species.There are two recognized species: C. Iguedensis, and the far better known C. Saharicus.

Various scientists proposing length estimates for the species C. saharicus ranging between 12 and 13 m (39 and 43 ft) and weight estimates between 6 and 15 tons. Most paleontologists put this animal at 13 meters and 8 tons.

Carcharodontosaurus had  enormous jaws and long, serrated teeth up to eight inches long.Paleontologist sonce thought that Carcharodontosaurus had the longest skulls of any of the Theropod dinosaurs. However, the premaxila and quadrate bones  were missing from the original African skull, which led to an over estimation of its actual size by researchers. A more modest length of 1.6 meters (5.2 ft) has now been proposed for C. saharicus, and the skull of C. iguidensis is reported to have been about the same size.  (1.4 meters; 5 feet). Currently, the largest known theropod skull belongs to another huge carcharodontosaurid, the closely related  Giganotosaurus whos skull length estimated at up to 1.95 m (6.3 ft.)

Spinosaurus Aegyptiacus

"The Spine lizard"

Since its discovery, Spinosaurus has been a contender for the longest and largest theropod dinosaur. In 1988, Gregory Paul also listed it as the longest theropod at 15 meters (49 ft), but gave a low mass estimate of 4 tons.

Dal Sasso et al. (2005) assumed that Spinosaurus and Suchomimus had the same body proportions in relation to their skull lengths, and thereby calculated that Spinosaurus was 16 to 18 meters (52 to 59 ft) in length and 7 to 9 tons. The Dal Sasso et al. estimates were criticized because the skull length estimate was uncertain, and (assuming thatbody mass increases as the cube of body length) scaling Suchomimus which was 11 meters (36 ft) long and 3.8 tonnes (4.2 short tons) in mass to the range of estimated lengths of Spinosaurus would produce an estimated body mass of 11.7 to 16.7 tons.

Therrien and Henderson(2007) used scaling based on skull length, challenged previous estimates of the size of Spinosaurus, finding the length too great and the weight too small.  Based on estimated skull lengths of 1.5 to 1.75 meters (4.9 to 5.7 ft), their estimates include a body length of 12.6 to 14.3 meters (41 to 47 ft) and a body mass of 12 to 20.9 tonnes (11.8 to 20.6 long tons; 13.2 to 23.0 short tons). The lower estimates for Spinosaurus would imply that the animal was shorter and lighter than Carcharodontosaurus and Giganotosaurus. The Therrien and Henderson study has been criticized for the choice of theropods used for comparison (Carnosaurs in particular) There are few remains that have been uncovered of Spinosaurus, and without those remains, a widely accepted scientific size range is impossible.

Tyrannosaurus Rex

"The tyrant lizard king"

Tyrannosaurus rex was one of the largest land carnivores of all time; the largest complete specimen, FMNH PR2081 ("Sue") measured 12.3 metres (40 ft) long and was 4 metres (13 ft) tall at the hips. Mass estimates have varied widely over the years, from more than 7.9  tons to less than 4.5  tons with most modern estimates ranging between 6.0  and 6.8  tons. Packard et al. (2009) tested dinosaur mass estimation procedures on elephants and concluded that dinosaur estimations are flawed and produce over-estimations; thus, the weight of Tyrannosaurus could have been much less than usually estimated.  Other estimations have concluded that the largest known Tyrannosaurus specimens had masses approaching 9 tons. A recent study conducted factored in things such as organ and blood weight, making the Tyrannosaurus even more immense. This can be applied to all theropods however, and it seems we may have new weights for most large theropods in the near future.  There are legends of huge Tyrannosaurus specimens, Particularly C. Rex, F.Rex, Mor 008. These animals are far too fragmentary to even establish a size, as bone size of Tyrannosaurusseem to vary between invididuals.

Giganotosaurus Carolinii

"The giant southern lizard"

 File:Giganotos Db.jpgThe skull of Giganotosaurus is large; that of the holotype was in 1995 estimated at 1.53 m (5.0 ft) in length. Even though the original authors briefly claimed the length to be up to 1.8 m (5.9 ft)—leading to an estimate of 1.95 m (6.4 ft) skull length for the referred specimen—this claim was not repeated by subsequent workers and one of the original authors was in 2002 co-writer of an article giving a holotype skull length of 1.6 meters (5.2 ft)t. The back of the skull as preserved is strongly inclined forwards, bringing the jaw joints far behind the attachment point, enacting the jaws a type of scissors, capable of slicing off large chunks of flesh. A large individual,  (MUCPv-95) os not nearly as complete - around 8% -. Estimates have put this animal at around 15 meters, but like spinosaurus, more remains would need to be dug up to confirm Giganotosaurus' star status.

The total length of the holotype has been estimated between 12.2 and 12.5 m (40 and 41 the largest specimen is 13.2 m (43 ft), and the weight between 6.5 and 13.8 tons. Most paleontologists put it at a conservative 12 meters and 7 tons, slightly smaller then C. Saharicus.

So, where does this leave us?

Largest theropod: Tyrannosaurus/ Carcharodontosaurus

Longest Theropod: Spinosaurus

Longest skull: Giganotosaurus

Most powerful bite force: Tyrannosaurus

Tallest Theropod: Spinosaurus(?)

 

 

Nature doesn't deceive us; it is we who deceive ourselves.

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Lord Vader

MemberTyrannosaurus RexMar-15-2014 1:11 PM

 Good job on this if you ask me. If this was from someone who has no clue what they're taking about, I probably would have asked if they were testing me. Good job again.

Jack of all trades. Master of none

Rex Fan 684

MemberCompsognathusMar-15-2014 1:11 PM

No offense, but this looks nearly identical to Wikipedia :/

"Men like me don't start the wars. We just die in them. We've always died in them, and we always will. We don't expect any praise for it, no parades. No one knows our names." ―Alpha-98

UCMP 118742

MemberCompsognathusMar-15-2014 1:13 PM

Well, In my opinion, this should be stickied or something. It's not biased, it doesn't say anything along the lines: ' blabla was definitely the largest and strongest because...'. I like it.

Keep in mind that many people have died for their beliefs; it's actually quite common. The real courage is in living and suffering for what you believe in. -Brom-

Carnosaur

MemberCompsognathusMar-15-2014 1:28 PM

@rexfan, That's because i'm not close to finished. Y'all are gonna need to read back through it as soon as im done editing....i don't have word any more.. so unfortunately i have to repost and edit things..

Nature doesn't deceive us; it is we who deceive ourselves.

UCMP 118742

MemberCompsognathusMar-15-2014 1:52 PM

The highest theropod woud've probably been Spinosaurus (if we include the sail).

Keep in mind that many people have died for their beliefs; it's actually quite common. The real courage is in living and suffering for what you believe in. -Brom-

Gojira2K

MemberCompsognathusMar-15-2014 2:00 PM

Good job. This all very accurate in my opinion. Good job again.

"There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self." - Ernest Hemingway.

Lord Vader

MemberTyrannosaurus RexMar-15-2014 2:11 PM

I didn't see that last part, but I agree with it.

Jack of all trades. Master of none

Carnosaur

MemberCompsognathusMar-15-2014 2:23 PM

@gojira thanks...this took a whole night of research to complete..along with my somewhat basic knowledge of these guys.

@mr.Happy, i had alot of editing and what not to do, decided last minute to add that in.

Nature doesn't deceive us; it is we who deceive ourselves.

Jezza

MemberCompsognathusMar-15-2014 3:00 PM

I agree with almost everything you've posted, except spino's wieght. I put Spino's weight at 11-14.5 tons, Rex's at 8-9 tons, Carchara at 8-8.9 tons, and Giga at 8-8.6.

Youre fat, and I'm not sugarcoating it cause you'd probably eat that too.

Carnosaur

MemberCompsognathusMar-15-2014 3:35 PM

while i don't agree with that all the way, i like you posted your opinion.i also posted the weight study that spino weighed in that range, and while i don't agree with it..mainly because spinosaurs were light weight animals....ithey're the professionals. I'm the guys with a laptop who just has a passion :)

Nature doesn't deceive us; it is we who deceive ourselves.

Rex Fan 684

MemberCompsognathusMar-15-2014 3:47 PM

I guess my "issue" is how a Carcharodontosaurus can be 13 meters long and 15 tons(according to some) and a T. rex is only 12 meters long and 9 tons at most. A meter difference should not create that big of a weight difference, especially when T. rex is a particularly robust and heavily built animal.

 

These Are My Official Sizes For Some Of The Largest Theropods(Same On My Site)

 

Tyrannosaurus

13-15 meters long and 8-14 tons

 

Spinosaurus

14-17 meters long and 5-8 tons

 

Giganotosaurus

12-14 meters long and 6-8.5 tons

 

Carcharodontosaurus

11-12 meters long and 5-7 tons

 

Mapusaurus

10-12 meters long and 3-5 tons

 

Tyrannotitan

11-12 meters long and 5-6 tons

 

Acrocanthosaurus

10-12 meters long and 3-5 tons

 

Tarbosaurus

10-12 meters long and 5-6 tons

 

Suchomimus

10-11 meters long and 3-3.5 tons

 

Saurophaganax

9-12 meters long and 3-4 tons

 

Ekrixinatosaurus

10-11 meters long and 3-4 tons

"Men like me don't start the wars. We just die in them. We've always died in them, and we always will. We don't expect any praise for it, no parades. No one knows our names." ―Alpha-98

Acro Rex

MemberCompsognathusMar-15-2014 4:03 PM

all i have to say is thank you. Thank you for bringing this forward, i've been observing the last few days..i could tell a war was probably cooming on..hopefully people see this and realize it's pointless...I second the motion of sticky-ing this, like UCMP said.

And RexFan...i agree with your weights for the most part

"Our lives are in your hands and you have butterfingers?" - John Hammond

Lord Vader

MemberTyrannosaurus RexMar-15-2014 4:16 PM

I agree with most of Rex Fan's weights as well.

 

Stickied it for you guys.

Jack of all trades. Master of none

Rex Fan 684

MemberCompsognathusMar-15-2014 4:18 PM

As a side note, please don't go crazy asking us to sticky things for you guys. I know some of these posts can be important, cool, and what have you, but we can't go to nuts with this.

 

Thanks

"Men like me don't start the wars. We just die in them. We've always died in them, and we always will. We don't expect any praise for it, no parades. No one knows our names." ―Alpha-98

UCMP 118742

MemberCompsognathusMar-15-2014 5:36 PM

I thloguht that this should be stickied because it has unbiased and accurate information on all of the Big 4. So it's a lot more effective than stickying 4 indepedent posts. (and there have been at least two posts on every single member of the Big 4)

Keep in mind that many people have died for their beliefs; it's actually quite common. The real courage is in living and suffering for what you believe in. -Brom-

Rex Fan 684

MemberCompsognathusMar-15-2014 8:45 PM

I know. This wasn't directed at anyone in particular. I'm just saying MrHappy and I can't go stickying every topic someone thinks might be worth it. There are times where it is worth it. But as Ian Malcom said, "You wield that power like a kid that just found his dad's gun." We can't be that kid ;)

"Men like me don't start the wars. We just die in them. We've always died in them, and we always will. We don't expect any praise for it, no parades. No one knows our names." ―Alpha-98

Dutch1992

MemberCompsognathusMar-15-2014 8:46 PM

I agree with Rex fan. T-Rex is the king of the dinosaurs in my opinion. They were trying their best in JP3 but they should have never let de Spino kill the T-Rex. 

Rex Fan 684

MemberCompsognathusMar-15-2014 8:54 PM

Thanks.

 

Also, as a side note...

 

Carnosaur, I'm kinda surprised you excluded UCMP 118742. Just something I noticed. I thought that would've been something important that should be taken into account. A 16 year old T. rex already as big as Sue is quite something afterall. Nothing against the post itself. I just thought you'd include it :)

"Men like me don't start the wars. We just die in them. We've always died in them, and we always will. We don't expect any praise for it, no parades. No one knows our names." ―Alpha-98

UCMP 118742

MemberCompsognathusMar-16-2014 5:51 AM

For a second there, I thought you're talking about me. :P

Keep in mind that many people have died for their beliefs; it's actually quite common. The real courage is in living and suffering for what you believe in. -Brom-

Carnosaur

MemberCompsognathusMar-16-2014 11:21 AM

i knew i was forgetting one of them fragmentary giants...oh well..

Glad you guys liked the post. Now, new members can see it when they attempt to bring the war back..

Nature doesn't deceive us; it is we who deceive ourselves.

Carnosaur

MemberCompsognathusMar-16-2014 11:22 AM

As a side note, would you guys like to see a bonus fight today? I'm thinking Zhuchengtyrannus vs the animal of your choice :)

Nature doesn't deceive us; it is we who deceive ourselves.

UCMP 118742

MemberCompsognathusMar-16-2014 2:18 PM

Zhuchengtyrannus vs. Mapusaurus, because why not?

Keep in mind that many people have died for their beliefs; it's actually quite common. The real courage is in living and suffering for what you believe in. -Brom-

indiana jones

MemberCompsognathusMay-22-2014 12:15 PM

i thaugt/pretty sure giganotosaurus

"That is one big pile of sh*t" -Doctor Ian Malcom

indiana jones

MemberCompsognathusMay-22-2014 12:16 PM

is the largest theropod

 

"That is one big pile of sh*t" -Doctor Ian Malcom

Carnosaur

MemberCompsognathusMay-24-2014 11:42 AM

nope. That's a common misconception based on exaggerated skull measurements and a leg bone which was 'larger then Sue's' When, in reality, other leg bones, were smaller then Sues. It is my belief that Rex is larger then giga

Nature doesn't deceive us; it is we who deceive ourselves.

Rex Fan 684

MemberCompsognathusMay-24-2014 12:25 PM

I agree with Carnosaur on that one. Lighter at least, maybe shorter in length too.

"Men like me don't start the wars. We just die in them. We've always died in them, and we always will. We don't expect any praise for it, no parades. No one knows our names." ―Alpha-98

Sinornithosaurus

MemberCompsognathusMay-24-2014 1:10 PM

Oxalia was bigger than T. rex. In fact, it was second only to  Spinosaurus.

[url]http://sinornithosaurus.deviantart.com

Lord Vader

MemberTyrannosaurus RexMay-24-2014 5:51 PM

Scientifically, larger means heavier. I'm assuming you mean lengthwise Oxalia is longer than Rex and second to Spino. That said recent studies put Spino at 55% LIGHTER (not heavier) than Spino, and until a few years back, the Spino fossils found were accepted to be from a 50 foot long individual, and only recently has that 60 foot long stuff been claimed. 

Jack of all trades. Master of none

Carnosaur

MemberCompsognathusMay-25-2014 9:43 AM

that dubious spinosaur out of south america? the one with very little fossil remains recovered?

sorry...but everything i've read (and studied) do not put it any where past the big four i have listed.

Based on the scant finds, the skull of Oxalaia has been estimated at around 4.4 feet. not even larger then that of the biggest Rex's. Furthermore, a length estimate of around 11-12 meters and 6 tons is big, not "big four" big, but still an impressive animal.

Source:Click Here

Nature doesn't deceive us; it is we who deceive ourselves.

Rex Fan 684

MemberCompsognathusMay-25-2014 12:59 PM

Yeah, Oxalia is often said to be about 36-43 ft long and 4-6 tons(from what I've seen). The biggest size I've seen is 50 ft, but it only gave a weight of 7 tons, still lighter than the biggest Tyrannosaurus'.

"Men like me don't start the wars. We just die in them. We've always died in them, and we always will. We don't expect any praise for it, no parades. No one knows our names." ―Alpha-98
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