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Dinosaur Evolution: A Journey from Tetrapod to Bird

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Dinosaur Evolution: A Journey from Tetrapod to Bird

Okay before I get in to direct Dinosaur evolution I must first weave the tale of how these guys came along, okay lets start with the Fish that crawled out of the water otherwise it would be a drag explaining the evolution of fish.

Okay along time ago back around the Devonian time, a group of Lobe-fin fishes gradually evolved lungs and slowly crawled out of the water on to land to possibly escape from hungry predators.

These fish became the first Tetrapods or Amphibians, millions of years later and millions of generations later prototreptile amniotes then evolve from Reptiliomorph amphibians during the Carboniferous peroid, officially around the Pennsylvanian Epoch but it is possible they could of appear in the Mississippian epoch.

Animotes later diverged in to two clades: Synapsids (Mammal-like Reptiles and later Mammals) and Sauropsida (Classic Reptiles).

Now since we are going in to later dinosaur evolution we can mark out the Synapsids from the discussion since that would be a topic for a later time.

Sauropsida is then divided into Parareptilia (at the side of reptiles) and Eureptilia (True Reptiles)

Eureptilia later gives rise to several lizard-like early reptiles and then the clade Romeriida evolves which will give rise to Diapsid reptiles (Modern Reptiles and their extinct relatives)

Diapsid Reptiles would evolve in to several primitive forms before two notable clades would eventually win out so to speak. Lepidosauromorphs (Snakes, lizards, Tuatara, and their extinct relatives like mosasurus) and Archosauromorphs (Ruing Reptiles). Pantestudines in my opinion belongs with Archosauromorph due to DNA and Fossil record backing. This ends the Permian peroid.

Archosauromorphs, now where getting closer. After several basal clades we finally get Archosauriformes. Most Archosauriformes roughly resembled crocodiles if more lightly armored to barely armored but lets flash forward to the clade of Archosauria; seeing as the other Archosauriformes are no long relevant to this topic. Which happens mostly in the Early Triassic.

Archosauria can be divided in to two super clades: Avemetatarsalia/Ornithodira and Pseudosuchia (Crocodilans and their extinct relatives like the Rauisuchians)

Avemetatarsalia also known as Ornithodira or Pan-Aves is the clade that holds the Pterosauromorphs and the Dinosauromorphs.

Dinosauromorphs clade contains all Dinosaur clades including modern birds and their extinct relatives. Dinosauromorphs that were closer related to true Dinosaurs were Dinosauriformes while Non-dinosaurian dinosaurmorphs belong to Lagerpetids.

Dinosauriformes housed several dinosaur-like forerunners but the most developed group besides the dinosaurs themselves were the Silesaurids. These creatures appeared roughly in the Middle Triassic.

And now we finally arrived to the clade Dinosauria which itself is broken up in to two major clades: Ornithischia (Bird-hip Dinosaurs) and Saurischia (Lizard-hip Dinosaurs) both arrived in the Late Triassic.

Ornithischia can be splitted up in to three primary clades: Ornithopods (basically beaked bipeds and duckbills), Thyreophora (Plated and armored dinosaurs with attack tails), and Marginocephalia (Head Armored Dinosaurs)

 

Saurischia is simply divided in to two clades: Sauropodomorphs (Long Necked herbivores) and Theropods (Bipedal Carnivores, later some beaked long necked bipedal herbivores, and birds)

The earliest members of Saurischia were fairly theropod-like but we do know the earliest members of each clade. Eoraptor long suspected to be a primitive theropod or even a basal Saurischia is now thought to be a primitive sauropodomorph along with the similar Guaibasaurids while Eodromaeus snags the spot of the Eoraptors previous position as an early theropod along side the slightly more advanced Herrerasaurids.

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Which video

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Ah yes,

ENSLAVED VIDEOS WHICH TELL US EVOLUTION!

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Honestly the first link was most important... because it talks about instances where we've seen evolution happen over the course of a few decades, a process called rapid evolution. It brings up 3 fascinating instances of this.

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 Gmkgoji this is a topic about Dinosaur EVOLUTION so evolution is the main topic here. There is too much evidence to support Evolution (Genetics, Domestication, Medical science, basic understandings of Biology, and most importantly the Fossil Records) to be simply dismissed as a agree to disagree.

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Our understanding of evolution grows more and more with each new fossil discovered

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The fossil record does NOT show evolution

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Hell just look at your individual human, you may have people with enlarge hearts or enlarge kidneys and the medical problems that go with them. if humans were created equally by a creator how come Humans and by extension all life come in all shapes and sizes, hmmmm?

At a creationist stand it doesn't really make and sense outside oh God made you that way just because. So God dilbertly made you born a cripple or dilbertly made you prone to heart attacks, I thought we were all created equally?

At an Evolution stand point, which you can still believe in God by the way, just not creationism. The reason why everyone is different and not equal is because these difference are supposed to allow us to thrive in different environments as well as weed out the less suitable ones. This applies to survival situations if we didn't have civilizations, the advent of Civilization removed humans from most of these natural pressures.

 

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GMK the fossil records does if you know to read clades

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IT SHOWS THAT EVOLUTION EXISTS!

I DON'T CARE WHAT PEOPLE SAY!

EVOLUTION IS TRUE!

NOBODY CREATED EARTH!

 

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Well how do you know the clades are true? You said it yourself, it is BELIEVED to be true.

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Even if you ignore the fossil records, biology and genetics would still show you evolution. Did you know humans have a tail, its called a coccyx and its called a vestigial organ

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Yes, the fossil records, genetics, and biology shows us its true. Lions and Tigers can produce hybrids because they belong to the same genus Panthera which is a clade above species. However Ligers and Tigons can't produce offspring because they are hybrids from two different species of panthera.

Humans and Chimps can't bare offspring because we are from two different genus, let alone species.

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Ugh, PLEASE don't bring up the Coccyx.

It's not vestigial, it is required to sit. Yes, you can survive without it, but you can also survive without eyes. Does that mean eyes are vestigial? I don't think so.

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Eyes have more of a purpose than the Coccyx, eyes would only be vestigial if you no longer need vision.

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Okay here are the main clades:

DOMAIN
KINGDOM
PHYLUM
CLASS
ORDER
FAMILY
GENUS
SPECIES

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Uh huh.

What about them has evidence to support evolution?

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Simply it tells us where they came from I mean if creationism is real then Dogs, cats, Humans, and Trees shouldn't have similar traits to define them nor genetic structures to indicate they are related and should be considered ALIEN to the rest of all life!

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 Take big cats for example, the reason why they are placed under the genus of Panthera is because they all share alot of traits and their genetics agree that Lions (Panthera tigris), Leopards (Panthera pardus), Jaguars (Panthera onca), Tigers (Panthera tigris), and Snow Leopards (Panthera uncia) all came from a single common ancestor some ten million years ago.

What is not listed are all the extinct members of Panthera

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So,this is the first time GmkGoji is from the minority.

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Ah yes.

I see where you are getting at. 

While I believe that evolution is BS, I do believe in common ancestors that gradually adapted to their environment.

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