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To end this once and for all about spinosaurus

Godzillasaurus

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I know some of you are desperate to be right, but you guys simply cannot accept the facts that spinosaurus was not a weak animal and was in fact actually probably quite strong in terms of snout, and was certainly more solid in this regard than carcharodontosaurus. You guys do not see the facts and only think that spinosaurus' snout was not very strong because "it wass sow mutch smaler in hight and widthe then carcarodontasaurus!" This is wrong! I cannot stress that enough.

By comparing the snouts of carcharodontosaurus and spinosaurus, there is so much that you guys are overlooking. All of the characteristics in spinosaurus point to a high capacity to grip, especially more-so than in carcharodontosaurus. These important characteristics include:

More heavily-constructed rostrum in spinosaurus (it was more compact and was characterized by particularly higher density

Rostrum that, along with its more impressive density and build, was simply better adapted for multidirectional resistance. This flows into the point about a much lessened risk of injury in such gripping; spinosaurus' snout was simple so much better designed for gripping without stress fracturing occurring

Balanced dimensions (this flows into my previous point)

Conical teeth (designed for piercing and gripping, not killing)

Simply compare the two animals' snouts, because I am sick of all this "yoo hav no proofs" crap: http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101003190116/archosauria/images/e/e2/Skulls2.png

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Try to disprove this...
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We don't think Spinosaurus is weak. We just thing that Carchar is stronger due to dietary diferences. "It wass sow mutch......" are you F***** 6? We may be young (I'm 14), but we don't talk like that. Get it through YOUR thick skull that we won't change our opinions just because of dentition that and lateral pressure this.

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Was a new thread necessary? noone, not once said spinosaurus was weak in the thread. nor did i. once again, you have not provided your sources for your dubious information. you keep rambling on about how strong Spinos jaws are, and that's fine. doesn't make sense, but it's your opinion buddy. Next time, you might wanna lead with ' this is my opinion' instead of saying it's 100% fact :)

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Quote: We don't think Spinosaurus is weak. We just thing that Carchar is stronger due to dietary differences.

THAT is an opinion... But what I am doing is using inference and observation instead of just saying "I think so, thus I am right". The stresses present in predation would naturally be much higher in spinosaurus; an animal that is well adapted for gripping large fish would naturally be experiences a particularly higher amount of pressure than an animal that kills much quicker and is not designed for gripping and would instead most likely be injured by such an event.

Quote: "It wass sow mutch......" are you F***** 6? We may be young (I'm 14), but we don't talk like that.

That wasn't supposed to be serious, bro...

Quote: Get it through YOUR thick skull that we won't change our opinions just because of dentition that and lateral pressure this.

Fine, believe what you want. But that doesn't make me wrong... Unless you guys can give me solid evidence to support your claims

Quote: once again, you have not provided your sources for your dubious information. you keep rambling on about how strong Spinos jaws are, and that's find. doesn't make sense, but it's your opinion buddy. Next time, you might wanna lead with ' this is my opinion' instead of saying it's 100% fact :)

And so how does claiming that spinosaurus had more robust jaws than carcharodontosaurus that were so much better designed for multidirectional gripping resistance fall into the opinion category? Spinosaurus had a denser rostrum overall than carcharodontosaurus and related genera (along with plenty of other defining traits), deal with it.

Seriously, you guys always claim that this is opinionated when you yet fail to tell me why

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because you haven't given us any strong sources that say other wise..

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Haha I'm 14 aswell MrHappy9097...don't we have so much in common...lol. I agree we dont talk like we're a bit high or something,I don't think spinosaurus is weak but that might be someone's opinion and that is their own and they are free to voice it so.....

How far can we push nature before it pushes back?
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There are no sources to prove that... I am using observation of defining characteristics. I have debated about this before on a few different forums:

http://theworldofanimals.proboards.com/thread/527/sarcosuchus-imperator-carcharodontosaurus-saharicus?page=7

http://www.topix.com/forum/science/dinosaurs/T7M8U4AAT440HGAJD/p49

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then it is YOUR THEORY, stepped it up rfom opinion for ya ;) it's not a scientifically established fact, but it's what you believe bud. kudos to you, i respectfully disagree

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That is still not an opinion... I would like firm evidence that even remotely supports the notion that carcharodontosaurus had a stronger resistance to gripping stress than spinosaurus
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no one ever stated that, but you may find this entertaining? 

http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/277/1698/3327.full

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Observation and opinion go hand in hand. Someone could look at this very discussion and say who they think is right because of what they observed. They don't know who's right for any real certainty, but they have an opinion. Observation and opinion are closely linked.

 

No one is right and no one is wrong. End of story. 

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exactly...this is random, but i thought it would lighten the mood :)

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Wow, that's uh, interesting ;)

"Men like me don't start the wars. We just die in them. We've always died in them, and we always will. We don't expect any praise for it, no parades. No one knows our names." ―Alpha-98
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Nice PFG.

One last thing, "lets put an end to this," and your opening line is "I know you guys are desparate to be right....." Im going to put end to this by pissing people off (you got my nerves at least).

 

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Godzillasaurus, you're fighting a losing battle. You aren't gonna convince anyone by badmouthing them! Try to disprove that!

"Men like me don't start the wars. We just die in them. We've always died in them, and we always will. We don't expect any praise for it, no parades. No one knows our names." ―Alpha-98
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He's lucky I had to work on my Jeep after I commented, if I had seen that before I left.......

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did i miss somethin? XD

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Don't think so. First post on this topic, "Try to disprove this." If I had seen that before I left, I would have lost it on him.

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oh yeah, that ticked me off. don't know what it was about what he was saying, but it pissed me off.

I gave him ' the evidence' he wanted so bad and then he never said anything back..

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Quote: "It is not wise to say something is your opinion."

Quote: I know you are all desparate to be right."

And so on, the list of things he's said to piss me off is huge.

Nonetheless, he's fighting an uphill battle against the Hitlerwall (it was real thing, in Italy 1944, it stopped .308 bullets fired from point blank) with a slingshot and marbles.

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