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Remember that all we've seen is a toy and paper plates. Indominus will be much more scary and awesome when it is killing people. I can't wait for the scene in the trailer where Ty is cowering in the shadows... So Raptors-in-the-Kitchen-esque! I-Rex won't be disproportionate or underwhelming in the movie.

^Those ideas are also pretty good! :)

Actually they both would have a truly devastating bite.

NOAH ECKECKENRODE - You have posed an incredibly interesting question! I certainly believe that we might just get something in the form of an explanation concerning the variations in velociraptors we have seen in past films! Thank you very much for bringing this to our attention! :)

Got to agree with you guys above, still, I love it, the only other option that it is not ugly, well for me at least, it has to do bloody, gory, violent kills...

Then again this is Jurassic Park...However every time I think of it...well the scene I am most excited for (don't let me down!) Is Hamada's death...that isn't a spoiler, just my guess...you may of seen some of my posts, I have many reasons to belive the persons being dragged back is him, could go on forever, but I won't. But all I know is he is the new "Robert Muldoon"(who was my favourite character of the film, and of the franchise.) He is already my favourite character of the new film, can't wait to see him. 

So as I was saying, everytime I picture his death, it is bloody, gory and as violent as heck! But yeah it's JP... 

Overall I am excited to see her, can't wait.

BTW, Thanks Chris, I saw that when it came out, wanted to post it, my computer crashed...You saved my time, thanks! :D

INDOMINUS REX - I feel that the design is quite neat! I like the overall look as it bespeaks a creature whose genetics are incorrect; an animal that is in no way a natural organism. If the I-Rex is "malevolent", I hope it is in the same manner as, say, a sociopath - it has no concept of life or death, right or wrong, it simply kills because its genes demand it to! :)

CHRIS PICARD - That is quite neat! I certainly hope that there is a battle between the I-Rex and T-Rex! Thank you so much for sharing this with us! :)

@StormCrown

I've gotta side with you on it...

Jack Horner Promised something that would make you keep the lights on at night... Something that would scare you so bad, You'd be scared of the Element it hunts in... 

The I-rex/D-rex is... Well, Rather Underwelming to say the least. Regardless of this being a  "Prototype" It's still kinda... Meh...

Even the Party Decorations, Which, Provide a More realistic Image, Are Underwelming. 

I don't know what I was expecting Personally... 

But definatley not this. 

i was hopping it will be uglier in a bad ass kinda way

JHAWKINS1987 - Indeed! I certainly would want the title to be indicative of the animals present in the film! Excellent thinking! :)

SPINORULEZ - Welcome to SCIFIED! Your hypothesis is definately interesting! I would very much indeed seeing a sequal or spin-off that centers on prehistoric mega-fauna! :)

Honestly, I'd be shocked if they didn't fight.

If you look on the Jurassic World website, I did see a Spinosarus Skeleton. It could have a cameo but it probably won't have a big role or anything. 

Hmm ... it looks a bit weird here. Its head and forelimbs are to large for the rest of its body, and its tail is too short. In other words, if this is what it looks like in the film, it'll be a wonder that it can stand or walk without toppling over. 

Picture on the website. I believe that Spino (which is on there) will be a park attraction, but nothing too big in the film.

I believe the I. rex should also kill for sport, adding on to the creature's malevolence (like how Muldoon mentioned that raptors kill for the thrill of the hunt).

DR. JONES - Though I do not collect Jurassic Park toys, I do find the set for the upcoming film quite neat! I believe the I-Rex will be extremely compelling - especially if it is well-detailed and articulate! :)

if a dinosaur wasnt on jurassic PARK, and isnt on the jw list, than it probably wont be on nublar

Could be possible and would make Sence. But.... It has different markings to JW3 spino, now this might mean nothing at all, but then we also have Allosaurus and Ceratosaurus. This is what makes me into the not sure area. Ceratosaurus was in JP3 and this toy has same colour and pattern, linking to Jp3, then we have Allosaurus who hasn't been in a JP film and hasn't been confirmed. I keep bouncing back and forward wether there in JP4 or not. In the end I'm going to say I think Spino Cera and Allo are going to be in Jurassic world, which makes me board the hype train..

Nice! These aren't the best JP figures, but they're pretty good.

i put the sizes at:

giga: 45 feet long, 8-8.5 tons

mapu: 46 feet long, 7.5-8 tons

carc: 43-46 feet long, 7.75-8 tons

i was wondering where he went... he posted a fight every day then his fights started disappearing... what happened to him?

FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!! THERE WE GO! SOMEONE WHO LOOKS AT T REX NOT AS THE KING OF THE DINOSAURS AND EVERYTHING, BUT JUST A GIANT THEROPOD WITH GOOD WEAPONRY! THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

HAHAHA nice one Gavin!

Pity it's not real, cause it looks very awesome! :D

the bite force for einiosaurus has never been calculated, so i dunno if you can say that with much confidence,

Cerato probably had the more mechanically devastating jaws between the two, though.

Actually einiosaurus has a stronger bite.

I'm going with Ceratosaurus. More powerful bite force, more intelligent, and just a little bit smaller than the Einiosaurus. However, the Einiosaurus would still put up a good fight.

I would love to see you write it Carnosaur! Ceratosaurus!

@SR & Cryo - thanks guys! i appreciate your kind words :)

As far as i know, C. dentisulcatus is known only from the holotype(UMNH 5278)from the description paper..

"Diagnosis: In addition to significantly larger size, the
largest ceratosaur of record differs from Ceratosaurus nasicornis
in the following: subnarial border of premaxilla
arched and almost horizontal versus straight and dipping
forward; nasal process lower; body of premaxilla longer,
and with several large foramina; maxilla more massive,
alveolar border more concave, and recess more pronounced;
posterior edge of nasal process rises more steeply; front of
antorbital fenestra more open; three large openings into
body of maxilla at front of maxillary recess and base of
nasal process; 12 alveoli versus 15; teeth more massive and
more strongly recurved; dentary more massive and more
upturned from tooth 6 forward; dentary teeth more massive,
and only 11 versus 15; atlas-axis 100 mm long versus 84;
odontoid more prominent..."

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Here's a skeletal done by hartman

as we can see, Dentisulcatus was a rather robust theropod for its size.

Hartman estimated its weight at ~1,500kg(3,300lbs or ~1.2 tons) so, it's approaching the size of its opponent.

Ceratosaurus(i believe the species used was nasicornis) jaws exhibit a great level of mechanical efficiency 
Dentisulcatus, being larger, would (perhaps) exhibit even greater mechanical efficiency in its jaws; Ceratosaurus appears to be a "quick biter" based on these results. Even if C/. dentisulcatus is just an adult Nasicornis, these results are still impressive imo.
On top of this, the neck muscles of C. nasicornis are rather robust in nature, aiding in the biting efficiency

Fig. 8. A–C: Lateral flesh reconstruction of neck and jaw musculature
of Tyrannosaurus rex (A), Allosaurus fragilis (B), and Ceratosaurus
nasicornis (C). Tendinous attachments are rendered as white. Neck
muscle abbreviations are as in Figure 4. B: In Allosaurus fragilis, the
novel course of m. longissimus capitis superficialis is evident. d AlIn Ceratosaurus
m. longissimus capitis profundus and m. rectus capitis ventralis
are restored as robust, based on the large size of their insertions.
M. transversospinalis capitis has a relatively small insertion on the
parietals in Ceratosarus, and this muscle is restored here as slender
compared with that in Tyrannosaurus anlosaurus. Jaw muscle contractions
are: m. a.m.e. med. 5 m. adductor mandibulae externus
medialis. m. a.e.s., m. adductor mandibulae externus superficialis; m.
a.e. post., m. adductor mandibulae posterior; m. dep. mand., m. depressor
mandibulae; m. pt. ant., pterygoideus anterior/dorsalis; m. pt.
post., m. pterygoideus posterior/ventralis."

""Ceratosaurus: Slice and rake feeder. With its
large ziphodont teeth and inferred large muscles for ventroflexion,
Ceratosaurus may have raked its upper teeth
through prey similarly to large carnosaurs. With a large
inferred m. l.c.p., and especially a large m. r.c.v. acting on
a modest in lever, strikes or cutting action with the upper
teeth would have been high-geared, rapid actions. Large
origins of m. complexus indicate a large muscle cross-section
and high force production. Coupled with short
moment arms, high force indicates that m. complexus of
Ceratosaurus effected particularly rapid and powerful
head dorsiflexion and lateroflexion. Short moment arms
for most other muscles would have enabled rapid,
although not particularly forceful, movements of the
head.
Several osteological correlates of jaw muscles indicate
a more forceful bite in Ceratosaurus than would be
expected from the modest size of its adductor chamber."

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what all that scientific mumbo-jumbo means is that Ceratosaurus woul hae to be careful as to where it would bite, but it's bite would be very mechanically damaging.(i.e. cutting tendons, causing severe blood loss)

the biped would be more agile as well, which would allot it to possibly outflank the ceratopsian.

all in all, i like the odds for ceratosaurus here.

might actuaoly write this one out, just cuz though :D

Sinraptor dongi.

this was a 19 to 25 foot long allosaurid. Closely related to yangchuanosaurus but smaller at the size of 1 to 3 tons.

i will add a lot more tomorrow.

Will get working on this ASAP. 

However, just for future reference, could you please just post one topic for the profiles instead of two seperate topics? Just so the recent discussion board doesn't fill out too quick. 

As much as it kills me, I agree with Mr.Happy, it is too lght....I say 65-35 in favour of the Einiosaurus. 

Nice!

I say the ceratosaurus's would win with its overbite, claws, and bulk it could beat the ceratopsian because its horn is sorta facing the wrong way. Though he could possibly stab the ceratosaurus with the frill horns and that would severely injure or kill the ceratosaurus depending on where it hit. But the ceratosaurus could outflank the ceratopsian and inflict massive wounds and end its life. Biting the neck would put it in huge risk of being stabbed by those frill horns.

this is a tough fight for both combatants. final judgement... 55/45 in favor of ceratosaurus.

Dont know enough about the ceratops to make a call, but looks like one hell of a fight if your doing it.

GAVIN SINGLETON - Hahaha! You goofball! You actually had me going! Thank you ever so much for the laugh! :)

As much as I like Ceratosaurus, I say Einiosaurus wins 70-30 1vs1. The Ceratopsian has too many means of defence against the lightweight carnivore. 

CARNOSAUR - How very interesting! I would greatly enjoy reading a battle between these two animals - especially if it is written by an individual as well-versed in paleo-fauna as you! Please, move forward with you intentions to present this match-up! I look forward to seeing what you have in store! :)

LOL This was hliarious! Nice job!